But I would be fairly confident that, as with other English makers, you get pretty much exactly what you pay for. Its just a selection of brands, and focus were on cheaper shoes than J. FitZpatrick (although he has a new lower-priced range coming). As someone who generally purchases shoes in this price point and has experiences with Carmina, Loake, Allen Edmonds, Berwick and Meermin.. s. It is my impression that, notwithstanding Cleverleys arm-waving and misdirection regarding their provenance, the Cleverely RTW are made by C&J. The quality of the leather on my particular pair isnt as good as the Loake 1880 (or any of the other brands) but overall these are a well constructed pair of shoes. For reference, previous sizing threads 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 for extra data points. All one had to do is insert a sole liner, of wear thicker socks. I dont think theyre very different, but no I cant compare directly, as I dont own GC RTW. In the past, I would spend under $300 on an item without really thinking twice about it but once I started keeping track, I began to notice that all these expenditures (which were often impulse buys or prompted by sales) were adding up to several thousand dollars a year. JavaScript is disabled. Kyle from Baker's later told me that my instep width is more like EE/EEE, which is what causes many of my fit issues around the mid-foot. Viberg 2040 8.5: No variable widths for this last. Meermins are not bad fits though; these shoes are flexible and stretchable enough to blend with your feet measurements accurately once you get the right sizing. Reply below with your sizing in any lasts you own/have experience with. But also, a lot of brands offer MTO with a different width at no extra cost, or only a small one. Sendra has its own brand as well as making for others, which is a little more expensive than Berwick or Meermin. Still pretty good value (it is the company I originally used before I could afford better) but not nearly as good as it was some time ago. The quality would probably tell more in the calf than the suede too, so makes sense to do it that way around. Velasca is an Italian brand that has become popular (they opened on Chiltern Street recently) as has German brand Shoepassion (which makes in Spain). Viberg 2030: 10 - Good fit. Many thanks, Really good customer service is important to me and is one of the things that keeps me going back. I can fully close the lacing most of the way up for an ideal look. p.s. Berwick has become very popular in recent years, particularly in Asia, Russia and elsewhere. Ive found one Cheaney last with a wide toe box that works for me by sizing down so that the heel fits but very little success with other makers. Parkhurst 9D: Great fit. With its classic and timeless design, this last seems to resist the course of time. It may not display this or other websites correctly. So my true size is an 11.5, in most American boots I'm an 11, and all my boots with European sizing (like Tricker's) are a 10.5. * **Thomas George Popes** 7.5UK quite snug, grips heel well but pinches the toes a bit. Myrqvist shoes are dreadful. These insoles are advanced comfort systems that are meant to keep your feet comfy and cozy all day. Finally, in terms of comfort, the insoles are much thicker and more comfortable in terms of conforming to the shape of my foot than any other shoes on this list (including Weston) other than Andres Sendra. EL, I think you kind of answered the question in your first statement. I will refrain from commenting on fit unless people think it will be helpful. TLB Artista full review here Alden TruBalance 9D: Its just so good. About 4 or 5 years ago, I naively bought a pair of Loake Shoemakers and the quality was very poor. Second is a Loake 1880 snuff suede apron derby boot. I've come to think of myself as a 10E. Boot socks. Best fitting Viberg last, comfortable from day one, even more than the newer 2030, but this has a little bit extra arch support and has some anatomical properties as well due to being a munson style. G&G is easy. Less so in the winter. I guess I was just wondering whether some of those extra things were actually noticeable in terms of comfort, durability, etc, especially because a number of mid-range shoes now have some of the things you mentioned: closed channels, oak-bark soles (or if not, that is always something you can get on the resole), a wide range of leathers, etc. F. E. F. Extra-wide. In the same way as it is well-known that, in general, the quality control of British brands in all price ranges is better than in Spain and Italy, British shoes almost always have a very even, solid level). I recently received these is shell and I'm still breaking them in. I have a review of a pair of them here on Shoegazing: https://shoegazing.com/2016/08/12/review-crownhill-shoes-the-stewart/. The last is generally nicer, finer finishing elements are nicer, fewer corners are cut in certain areas, etc. Kenton 10D: Great roomy fit for boots with thick/medium socks; good snug fit for LWB with thin socks/sockless. The subreddit about quality footwear. Grant Stone Leo 9D: Great fit all around. However, when I visited meermin pop up in London, I dont think I would ever get a black box calf from them! Viberg 310E 8.5: Roomy in all directions but toe ball lines up with lowest part of the sprung toe forefoot and widest part of foot lines up with widest part of boot. Non-sense. These Meermin shoes are comfortable, fashionable, trendy, and highly durable. Orbans (above) is a brand started by Marcos Fernandez, who also started Septieme Largeur and other brands in France. So if there is a middle man, its often the brand. He was told they had changed, as you see seem to have observed as well. Free shipping for many products! Press J to jump to the feed. Most brands provide one width per shoe/last, which in the end really limits your ability to find the right fit (not to mention, to find the right fit for the shoe you actually want to buy). Take for instance Santoni, Prada or S. Ferragamo. Fast worldwide deliveries; 14 day returns; . Brilliant. Ive been a big fan of Crockett & Jones, Carmina and Edward Green. The high end, aspirational item is necessary too and will always be a hallmark of your site, but I believe you have wisely corrected a too marked journey into luxury where many less of us could have followed. Brett has called it an EE width in the past, I don't think its much wider than the 2030 at the ball where it matters most, but the heel is extra wide and the toe box doesn't taper as much so there's more toe room as well. Why not economical or cost effective or something else which has more neutral/positive connotation unlike cheap. I have experienced Cheaney a fair bit, my first two pairs of English shoes were from Cheaney main line (I still have one of them), plus I have worn Cheaneys imperial range as well as C&J mainline shoes. Additional notes about feet:I was measured as 10.5D by an Allen Edmonds store associate several years ago. Both these shoemakers offer value far and a way above a UK shoe at a similar price point so they really are worth a look for a person prepared to put in the effort. Jesper thinks Skolyx (above) is better in this regard than the others, though he is biased*. Plain black Oxfords from Churchs who are near the rail station. Last shape feels similar to Parkhurst 10 and Viberg 9.5, except toe is slightly longer and more tapered, heel is snugger, and it's much roomier throughout the instep. Thank you for this listing Simon. The problem with the Japanese brands is theyre rarely available outside the country. Back to Morjas specifically. And that at the end of the day, I would be better off saving on a getting an additional major item a year of fine quality rather than getting a 30th shirt that I dont really need. No one wants their sole to wear down quickly, but points like the shaped waist are more aesthetic, and its up to you whether you care about them. - 8 (very voluminous, though) Carmina- Robert- 8 Carmina- Rain- 8 Carmina- Forest- 8 Carmina- Soller-8 . Some of the best dress shoes that you can get with your money today are the Carminas and the Meermins. Carminas just dont break down easily. Meermin US UK Narrow. For what its worth Joshua, (with plenty of experience of both) I wouldnt necessarily consider C&J a step up from Trickers. meister Stylish Dinosaur Joined Feb 10, 2007 Messages 10,772 Reaction score 2,515 Dec 28, 2011 #9 Jason: Thats a real shame. the Meermins have four speedhooks and a pull tab, whereas the Carminas have three and forego the tab. As someone who has handled or owned several of these brands I thought it would be helpful to offer my experience, anecdotal though it may be. Im looking to acquire a couple of pairs of tassel loafers (one dark brown suede and one black calf). The instep is high, but massive on the service boot pattern. Will it be in Spain 1 or Spain 2 in your list? Compared to the HOK 9 and 2030 9.5 this started with the loosest heel, which lead to a bit of slop, but broke in with some wear. Sadly brands like Edward Green, Lobb and Cleverly are now so beyond my price point that I wonder if theyre now in the realm of diminishing returns? document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); document.getElementById( "ak_js_2" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Above all of these. A couple of years ago, I returned two pairs of Oxfords that needed resoling after less than ten wears each. Not a big difference though. Ostmo Moe 43.5: Tried these on and this was a bang on size. Update: had to take the leather insert out, just couldn't deal with how shallow the toe box is. It hails from Meermin's Classic Collection, which is the less expensive of the two lines, at 160euro/pair (or roughly $205). Allen Edmonds 65 9D: Excellent fit. Could not find info. When I was measured at Alden Madison and an AE store, both actually said I should lean toward 10D TTS, due to my flat feet and low instep, which led to many bad purchases. Similar articles on suits, jackets, shirts etc are desperately needed. Everyone in London should visit John and ask for his advice on shoes. Red Wing 23 9D: decent fit. Do you think a knowledgeable observer like yourself could tell the difference in leather quality when they are being worn on someone elses feet (can you spot the difference in leather quality between CJ and EG when someone else is wearing them and your eyes are 6 plus feet away)? To me, the leather feels similar to Carmina, though possibly even stiffer and more inflexible. But in the same moment, I realised this was unfair. I usually just buy shoes in the 500 range when they go on sale for 200-300, but in the 300 range I really like the Austrian manufacturer Handmacher; they make shoes on traditionally boxy Viennese lasts, and they use tiny wooden nails to connect the soles to the uppers. Churchs is particularly egregious in this respect, given the quality (though, sometimes to my regret, their 173 last fits me like a glove in a UK 12E). In fact, it is the favourite last for the Albaladejo family. Meermin Hiro: 10D (9UK), I can walk miles in these in thin/medium socks but would strongly prefer more toe room. They last forever, but unfortunately they are even stiffer than Meermin shoes (really didnt like those), and take a year or two to wear in. I have had great buys from Tricker none were country shoes, but one pair had channeled soles, which even at full price would have been a bargain. Roomy toe box, heel is snug and hugs my foot all around. You will find that most Meermin shoes are poorly finished when compared to the quality Goodyear Welting of the Carmina shoes. You know what youre getting. The quality of the leather isnt as good as Crockett and Jones, but is far superior to my Barker and Loake shoes. Interesting times and personal style journey. Good arch support, toe box is low, but not too low, and just an all around comfy fit from day 1. Seems to be a popular thing to write now. Customers love the shape of the Almond Toe-Boxes of Meermin shoes Many believe that that design adds well to the elegance of the shoes. I also had disappointing experiences with Myrqvists quality. Because every Carmina thread is comprised of "what size am I" questions. Altra Lone Peak 3.5: 12D, weirdly enough. I found it a source of much misinformation. Quoddy maliseets in lined suede: 11D, fits amazingly. Im afraid Im not great on recommending sizing issues like that. There are many levels at tanneries, and cheaper brands dont get the same quality or the first selection. Its hard to say since theyre Chelsea boots, which means breaking in isnt as much of an issue as with lace-up shoes. My understanding is that AE is below the likes of Crocketts in terms of make, but thats based on the input of people like Jesper who know more about them than I do. Sure David. The alternative was to shut out the market of men with wider feet. I'll update this list as I get new stuff in too. C&J have been my staple for more than 20 years, and I find that their 348 and 341 last feel like old friend straight our of the box. Most of our ready to wear production goes from size 6UK to 12UK, but if you happen to wear a smaller or larger size, we can definitely help & specially make any pair from our collection for you. That would be much less possible for me at higher price points. 7.5UK fits well with thicker socks. Does anyone know if English makers tend to have wider heels than their Spanish (or other continental counterparts). Brilliant article I really enjoyed that . Cobbler Union (above) is a newer brand, and more similar to TLB or Carmina, while Spier & MacKay is a clothing brand with a line of shoes at 220 which is decent for the price. Loake1880 is good starting point and it used to be a very good value. I believe that I am at the upper limit for this last. Can add that you can find a review of Carlos Santos here on Shoegazing: https://shoegazing.com/2015/09/06/review-carlos-santos-7201-braga-cognac/. * **Gaziano Girling DG70** 8.5FUK comfortable. Rafal hails from Poland and is a shoemaker who creates each pair of shoes by himself. This is particularly true in the shoe market, given there are few designer brands spending big budgets on marketing and advertising. But the key issue from my point of view is that AE offers 10 widths across all the models in their portfolio, where none of the Northamptoners are able to offer more than 2 and only for very few of their models. A lot of new brands have been popping up in recent years, too, especially in Asia, and they often feature impressive specs for the price. Its a last designed to accommodate a range of foot shapes and I was able to comfortably wear them from day 1 with my preferred boot socks. I find the shoe discussion to be an interesting one. https://eu.jmweston.com/en/collections/bottines-homme/products/edouard-chukka-boot-homme-cuir-veau-velours-marron-fonce, Thats certainly a risk with some French brands, but not usually with Weston. The difference between, for example, C&J and EG is the same as the difference between them and the cheaper shoes. I typically shy away from the lighter browns etc.. and thought this might be a good alternative and could be quite versatile. The lower tier shoes arent and if C&J or EG are out of reach, go with Alden rather than any of the cheaper Northampton brands. Many thanks Simon as usual for the very informative article. "Another area where a lot of the English makers fall down, at this price level and below, is the soles, which aren't as good as Spanish brands in general. The Alden cordovan color of the shoe is achieved by a plastic pellicule which shaves rather quickly to reveal a light brown leather underneath. The upper leather is stiff and prone to hard creases, but also a little thinner than other brands on this list which helps with comfort. We also get your email address to automatically create an account for you in our website. A 42 would be too large and a 41 too small. Own 2 pairs and ordering a 3rd in this last. Grant Stone Alexander 8.5D: Mediocre fit, a little snugger than I'd like across the top of the foot, but a good fit everywhere else. Im sure PS readers would disagree! *** Viberg GYW fits just a touch smaller than Stitchdown. As Im a women who is looking for well made leather shoes, I have even smaller heels than the male feet in comparison to feet length. And sorry for the long post, whenever I come across such I wonder whether the guy is a bit insane, but then, passion, what? Where C&J excels is in the breath of their offering, but the overall quality wouldnt differ significantly between the two. Alden Grant: 9E is a wonderful fit for me in 4060 boots with medium socks. 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