Rather than ignoring these churches and individuals Scotlands born again believers need to stand up and contend for the faith. In case you missed the news, Christianity Today is reporting on a pattern of spiritual abuse on John MacArthur's Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. On February 9, 1969, he was hired as the third and youngest pastor at the nondenominational Grace Community Church of Sun Valley, California. Williams has more than misgivings about neo-Calvinism (as he calls it to call Piper, Keller and the Proclamation Trust neo-Calvinists is just silly). As a preliminary observation, there is no name calling. If you were not speaking about Chandler then why write it here? If your love is put off by answers you dont like, then like the BeeJees I need to ask how deep is your love?! "[37], MacArthur is an outspoken critic of same-sex marriage, the ordination of women, the Roman Catholic Church, and the social justice movement. G White had stated that Matt Chandler was not a good example of teaching or living and then went on to pass on gossip about a particular discipline case in the Village Church. 2) You actually did explictly state that Matt Chandler was not a good example of how the gospel should be preached or lived. The church that is spending $130 million on redoing its downtown campus? Los Angeles County sued the church over its refusal to close down, and the church counter-sued, claiming that the County was violating rights to freedom of religion. "[30] MacArthur holds to the dispensationalist school of premillennialism, a pre-tribulational Rapture of the Church, and a literal Millennium. The digressive discussion of church trappings in some ways diminishes the toxic nature of this actual ministry content its danger isnt in size or wealth or me focus, it is in the false gospel it promotes he is not qualified to preach. I follow the goings-on of the mega church para church neocalvinist movement (call it what you will) in the USA and am frequently astounded by their antics. point taken). LOS ANGELES PASTOR JOHN MACARTHUR PUBLICLY REBUKES GAVIN NEWSOM FOR 'DIABOLICAL' POLICIES, INVOKING JESUS, Pastor John MacArthur preaches at Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. [48][49], In February 2023 Christianity Today[50] published multiple instances of MacArthur's Grace Community church advising woman to stay with sexually and physically abusive husbands. If not why do you feel in a position to judge? I dont know enough to say anything about the worship, church structure and other ministries of the church, so I wont. 2) There are inherent dangers in mega churches which some of your other contributors have highlighted. Why do you think I should apologise for my Amazon remarks (which were simply that I could only find it on my Amazon feed at 30)? One expression of faith creates refugees; the other resettles them. We are committed to delivering quality independent Christian journalism you can trust. In October 2013, his church hosted a conference called "Strange Fire" to mark the launch of a book of the same name. Because he is a pastor? lq mk Im afraid that the influence of the US mega churches such as Elevation is felt throughout the world. But to me that is clear what it is. They are usually absorbed in religion for self-centered reasons. I dont know enough about Elevation to make that kind of judgment, but there are warning signs. or redistributed. The Bad Sadly, whilst every church has the bad, because we are all sinners and therefore infect any structure or organization we are part of, there are sometimes churches that go much further and wander away to the extent that one can hardly call them a church at all. Just to settle this bit of your disagreement: http://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Calvinists-ES-Williams/dp/1908919329/, Wonderful thanksnow I can read it on my KindleI have no idea why that did not show on my Amazon page. For you to say that I did makes you guilty of the thing you wrongly accuse me of and it is quite reprehensible. MacArthur also refused to enforce mask and social distancing guidelines for congregants. MacArthur has written three books on the subject. He has remarked that "[t]he Charismatic movement has stolen the Holy Spirit and created a golden calf, and they're dancing around the golden calf as if it were the Holy Spirit. To reject its claims is to call Him a liar. However the issue that really gets to me is the money one. Fox News Flash top headlines are here. [18] Furthermore, he believes that we are obliged to render full submission to scripture above all else and that "[t]o mishandle the Word of God is to misrepresent the One who wrote it. That would indeed be ridiculous, but it is not my position and it is therefore wrong of you to argue as though it were. Its only your perception and I would deny it. Googling information about his ministry will provide a number of discussions of his content. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. In the sermon above Stephen lets out a wee quip at the beginning when responding to some criticism go start your own church. When you are ready argue about what is being said here, not what is not being said. Truth in love. John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated radio program Grace to You. Opinion Page Brooks and David Bumgardner Cho was told by MacArthur to "forget it" when he called on the elders to "do justice. They do things right. He has been the pastor of Grace Community Church, a non-denominational church in Sun Valley, California since February 9, 1969. I wasnt doing that either which a plain reading of the text will confirm. However I dont think it is wise or correct to take the givings of the Lords people to make oneself a millionaire actually that is sinful. Cho brought letters to the elders and MacArthur who ultimately told him he needed to "walk back" his findings if he wanted to remain an elder. Having said that I followed the mega church scene in the USA I was aware of what was going on in Dallas and in other places too. Have mercy! Perhaps then a mature and open discussion could then take place. Citing Dallas Baptist because you knew a young man who went there. I kind of dreaded this type of response. Its not the first time that youve responded aggressively when a pastor that you hold in such high regard is questioned. From 20052015, MacArthur made about $3.4 million in compensation from GTY and TMUS, for an average of about $320,000/year. John MacArthur is the pastor of Grace Community Church in SunValley, California, a neighborhood in Los Angeles. And there are some well-liked denominations and networks of churches on Facebook pages too: john macarthur on elevation church. They drift from church to church. Can we in the UK stop copying these kind of churches? Legal Statement. Btw, yes Im a pastor of a tiny church and I have worked multiple jobs all 20 years I have been at the church to make ends meet. New Calvinism quenches that desire, and true dedication to a distinctive Christian life.. I dont do stock answers. "[18], MacArthur is a cessationist, holding that the "sign gifts" (such as prophecy) described in the Bible were temporarily granted to the apostles to authenticate the origin and truth of the scriptures, and that at the close of the Apostolic Age these gifts had served their purpose and ceased to be granted. Required fields are marked *. I Gotta Reply This Is So Pathetic, First Of All As A Leader In Christ Steven Furtrick Is A Good Pastor And If You Really Heard His Message ,He Is A Man Of God And He Only Speaks The Truth You That Are Workers Of Iniquity Be Sure That Youre Sins Will Find You Out Second Of All How In The Hell You Gonna Sit Here And Judge A Man Of God ..I Believe God Called This Man To Build His ( God) House And Get The population Ready For Whats About To ComeAnd Its Far More Then Noah And A Flood.If There Were Many Pastors Like Steven Furtrick In This World There Wouldnt Be So Much Hate And Crime And Killing Drugs Etc News People Why Dont You Start Digging In The People That Are Really committing crimes Stop Digging In Something You Know Nothing About Cause If You Really Knew How God Works . You Wouldnt Be Dashing Him And Family And God House Stop being jealous Stop Counting The Heads In The Church And Start Counting Youre Blessing We Still Have A universe To Stand On And spreading the message good God And Getting People Ready For Whats About To Come..Btw Are You Ready For When God Comes? But you came on to my blog and posted something which is typical of the new legalists and endorsed a book which attacks gospel preachers such as Keller, Piper and the Proc Trust. False teachers and those who allow the Word of God to be compromised are like a cancer in the church; some who preach flat out heresy are like the aggressive cancer and are easy to spot quickly but others who compromise a bit here and turn a blind eye there are akin to the slow growing tumour thats often not picked up until great damage is done. http://thewartburgwatch.com/?s=Matt+chandler&x=0&y=0 I d not think there is any man alive especially a young man who could cope with this degree of adulation and not have his head explode with pride. In 2019, at the Truth Matters Conference, during another word association questionnaire, MacArthur was given the prompt "Beth Moore". Given that you were speaking in the context of my remarks about Chandler, your comments were clearly a warning about him and a warning that his teaching was like a slow growing cancer. Powered and implemented by FactSet Digital Solutions. Either way the theory that a pastor should be poor is ignorant. Surely there are members in the congregations of the mega churches who intend to be sincere, and big doesnt have to be bad. Your reference to Isis was, in my opinion, ill-judged given recent events. But, thank God, I have been able to study the bible for 50 years and, although I acknowledge that I have probably only scratched the surface of the riches of His grace, I do not recognise Furticks message as balanced and biblical. Could you tell me the difference? what evidence do you have for that?). To be sure he writes from a certain perspective, as you do, but he presented his case quite calmly using documented and verifiable evidence. He was unable to preach the second service. One of the victims (Eileen Gray) in particular was shamed publically in front of the congregation by MacArthur for divorcing a David Gray who later was convicted of aggravated child molestation, corporal injury to a child, and child abuse. In case theology and ecclesiology sounds almost too technical and dulljust remember we are talking about who is God, and what is his church? The incident referred to was a very serious matter and Christian publications in th USA documented the churchs mishandling of it, which was why I had urged caution. Matt. Because Elevation Church certainly dont want to. Name me one church that has handled everything well. [52], Grace Community Church, Sun Valley, California, Independent Fundamental Churches of America, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, "Theology and Ministry: An Interview with John MacArthur", "1998 Gold Medallion Book Awards Winners", "Voice of Calvary Legacy - The Legacy - Page 3", "When should a Christian fight for his country? I live maybe two hours from the Village and have visited twice. The Good Contrary to expectations I am not one of those Calvinist ministers who automatically discounts any church which grows beyond a couple of hundred, as being a mega fake, doctrinally incorrect, pseudo church. [21][22], MacArthur argues that modern "visions, revelations, voices from heavendreams, speaking in tongues, prophecies, out-of-body experiences, trip to heaven, anointings, miracles all false, all lies, all deceptions attributed falsely to the Holy Spirit." MacArthur responded, "Go home." Why would you equate Chandler with Furtick, but First is ok? He is a ministry collaborator with . John MacArthur, the pastor of California's Grace Community Church, delivers a sermon to his congregation, January 2021. (2Tim. An unknown man clad in black confronted Grace Community Church pastor John MacArthur during service on Sunday, Aug. av. All I would say is that there was no irrational, ranting, preaching anywhere in it. The truth is whether it is a mega church pastor in the US, or a small church pastor in Scotland, it is not OUR church, it is HIS. Doubtless it was intended as a joke but I dont think taking a salary of millions more than is necessary to live, work and provide for ones family, is a joke especially when there are hungry children, and many hungry for the Word, who do not receive it because of lack of money. The staff expected to have their concerns heard andconsidered. It never occurs to me for a second to not fulfill it. People make millions selling sex, playing sports and funny you never hear the news say that is wrong. Stephen Furtick I just listened (lots of fast-forwarding) to a talk he gave at the New Spring church titled Sun Stand Still (which I think relates to one of his books). Since then I have occasionally listened to a sermon, read articles and heard news programes, and watched as this Southern Baptist church has grown to a reported 20,000 plus. MacArthur argues that confessing Jesus Christ as Lord is a necessary component of free grace theology. There are doubtless many things wrong with Chandler (hes a Baptist for a start!) Quotes displayed in real-time or delayed by at least 15 minutes. It was not an accusation, nor an attack. [47] In August 2021, MacArthur told congregants that "many people" had contracted COVID-19 while it "went through" the church in December 2020 and January 2021, including both him and his wife. All rights reserved. I am intrigued as to why you think my challenge to the claim is disgraceful and totally unwarranted, but you dont think the claim itself is? He is a ministry collaborator with TDJakes health and wealth and modalist ministry, he collaborates with Joel Osteens humanistic ministry and with Brian Hustons new wave prophecy ministry. March 5, 2021 . 4) Its also not a good idea to claim that you know the motives of someone you dont know. The point I made about Matt Chandler himself is that it took the pressure from outside his church to galvanise him into doing something. If you want an alternative from another megachurch pastor, then listen to this from Matt Chandler preached at Elevation (I think it was not actually posted at the time because it upset people but I may be wrong). Despite the blurb you are not changing the world. To this end he cites the biblical passage of 1 Timothy 2:11-12. Im sure with a church of such a size these issues are found amongst some, and appropriate discipline and loving correction are needed. Im not sure though why I should apologise for my Amazon remarks? So First Dallas Baptist is an acceptable mega church but the Village church isnt? Cho resigned the next day. Last year, when far-reaching government restrictions were put in place, the megachurch continued holding indoor worship services despite bans on such gatherings. 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