And I think there is a healthy fear. It is what manifests. Yeah, apparently its not going to happen. It is not a program is not a set of services. As I was working through the Willow Creek representation with these women, the thing that kept cropping up to me was the Milgram experiment. So a young person in our high school ministry. This is a person who is pushing a boundary because they want to do something bad. And theyre born knowing how to do that. Today were talking with Pete Briscoe, who served as the senior pastor for nearly three decades at Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, Texas, and now consults with and coaches pastors. And yet, when these issues started being raised about Bill Hybels, the larger church, other than you know, a few people you mentioned the Ortbergs, for example, they came forward and spoke. Jill He, Becky and their kids have been part of the fabric of BT for so long, it is We were fighting asymmetric warfare, right? But so far, I havent seen that. Yeah, that is super dangerous. Because I often wonder what would have happened if he had come back and you know, not been well are not been really able to do his job but said, You know what, Ive got to do this. This is the you know, erither, I need the job, or, This ministry completes me. or whatever, whatever the excuse is. Maybe some of your listeners are familiar with that you can go on YouTube and and see what thats all about. What I do, you know, and what Ministry Watch is doing and what all these independent bloggers are doing, that its bringing accountability. He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. Julie, thats whats so interesting about this story to me as I got deeper into it, I started to understand That, you know, when you go to the movies, and you see a story, you expect, okay, that guys the villain. To us, he was Stu, Dad and Poppa and we already miss him achingly." WebPete Briscoe answers that question by pointing us to Paul as the perfect example of one who speaks with tender boldness. Pete has offered to And to do that, we must avoid falling into the trap of our Christian beliefs being pitted against culture in the public sphere of debate. And another womans situation, theyre in an elder board meeting, and Bill Hybels, you know, has his hand on a womans leg, and no one else can see. About Stuart and Jill Briscoe The church said in essence, Tsk, tsk. At least, thats how I saw it. In this Milgram experiment, they found that people are willing to do things under collar of authority and that they would not probably otherwise do. Mike is a dear friend and Im sad this day has come. A person whos not walking in the Spirit is susceptible to that type of behavior, even a senior pastor. Im wary of the theatrical, evangelical stars that are so prevalent now. I mean, you dont need to be trying to fit a round peg into a square hole, because it is gonna manifest itself in bad ways. And basically, my understanding is his cavalier attitude was, Well, Ill just pick up and Ill open a new church down the street [if] you dont you dont like me the way I am.. Fellowship, Church family, Community. Jill and Stuart came to the States from England. I dont agree with a lot of his views, but he said something and it is true, we need to have, you know, church leader needs to have two voices, one for gathering the sheep and one for scaring away wolves. Subscribe Sign up for my daily email devotionals and to stay in touch! Just what I call a deformed leadership culture at the church where certain things became acceptable that shouldnt. Serving in the role of elder is a huge responsibility. Yes, I totally agree. I think that he lost that. And you made the statement that if you have the character to lead, you dont need a manual. This is a calling. (etc. And we need to apologize. Growing up in a ministry family, Pete watched and learned from his parents and witnessed the reach and power of Telling the Truth 's media outreach. But its an analog. But essentially, it was the board being asked to deal with matters of policy and then all matters of implementation really get left to the vocational staff in the church. Id like to share a few things as we navigate this loss together. And to do that, we must avoid falling into the trap of our Christian beliefs being pitted against culture in the public sphere of debate. And in the few times Ive spoken with him, I found his insights to be profound. So, thanks for taking the time and you know, anybody whos willing to take a few minutes out of their vacation for a podcast, I just really appreciate it. And Im good friends with her husband Scott Dyer as well. The church is nondenominational and has woman pastors and elders. So I want you to think about this while you know Bill Hybels is being accused of doing awful things by a dozen women. and so I almost feel like the elder boards are there to keep the honest person honest. Explain that. Yep, thats rooted in pride. At that age, I had never had someone in spiritual authority lie or manipulate me. Continue Reading The Upper Room: John 15 Posted by Nate Murray Right. I did live it. And thats not what this is about. WebBriscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. Think about the psychology of someone who could be doing what was alleged by Pat Baranowski to have been done to her. You can read about them at their website Teaching the Truth. And you have to, there must be assiduous accountability going on in the life of someone who has the big radio show has the big platform, his platform at conferences and large organizations, because the temptations are greater. Those are the good guys. And the people in this story are complex characters. Great question. Let me give you some examples. And if you are not willing to as an organism, or as an organization say, We messed up. For the next 90 minutes, Pete Briscoe enraptured us with his presentation of The Bema.. Is that correct? Guest Bios Show Transcript Spiritual abuse has become an increasingly hot topic, as more and more stories of bully pastors and hyper-controlling, Guest Bios Show Transcript After years spent in an abusive church, how do you heal? Churches sometimes need advocates outside their system. And I think Christian leaders need to start stepping up. Yeah, totally agree. With distinctly different teaching styles, you'll be moved by the emotional appeal of Jill and the compelling logic of Stuart, as they boldly proclaim God's sovereignty, grace, and love. I know that the original elders of Harvest thought they could keep James accountable despite the knowledge that he had glaring character flaws from the beginning. In the late 1990s, Telling the Truth was blessed with opportunities to expand the broadcasts overseas with a newly formed Christian radio station in London, Premier Christian Radio, which today remains the only Christian station across the entire United Kingdom, with 1.2 million weekly listeners. Then, I did what all good Christian college students did at that time I acquired a boot-leg copy of the drama and listened to it several times on my own. I thought that emails could always be recovered, even after being erased, by a good IT person. And there was also a service at WC where the board interviewed him and was he was questioned about an affair. Pete Briscoe, Stuart and Jills youngest son, was a key contributor to the ministrysteaching team from 2003 to 2021. Or what is the church think about Calvinism? something along those lines. I mean, I Timothy 5:20 says that we should publicly expose elders who are sinning so that others may take warning. To view their entire showroom online. They made a lot of friends. Yet, Scripture and to how to teach it became new and deep and exciting every week as I listened to Pete in the short three years I have been at Bent Tree. WebIt is with heavy hearts that the Elders of Bent Tree announce that Pete Briscoe has submitted his resignation as Senior Pastor. Pete Briscoe was Senior Pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, TX for nearly 30 years. But youre right. And I really was hopeful that there was going to be a public apology, and yet, None. Well, and I hope there are Christian leaders listening to this who take note because is the time of just being silent and thinking that because youre silent, nothing will come back on you, thats past. If you have six members of the Board of eight, lets just say its eight or 10. Now, God is leading our friend and leader Pete away from these walls, and we look on with sadness the sadness that comes when a season you love is passing. WebBriscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. WebPete Briscoe is a podcaster and evangelical pastor. So, you know, Julie, its really its death by 1000 cuts. He makes sure the good things stay in the church and the bad things go out. Im doing well but probably not as well as you because youre on vacation in Florida. And that that was something that taught you an awful lot about how elder board should deal with sexual impropriety or sexual abuse within their own walls. Yes, probably a number of your listeners are aware of the situation where the Ortbergs and Mellados had tried to report to the board an alleged long term affair that Bill Hybels was engaged in and the church hired an outside investigator to investigate the situation. Pete Briscoe, our pastor at our church came out in support of the Dyers, which was bold, and it was brave. This was something that was very deeply ingrained in their culture. For the next 90 minutes, Pete Briscoe enraptured us with his presentation of The Bema.. He now coaches Pete Briscoe | Brookfield WI. Well, early on in the process after the Tribune article, we had to make a decision, How are we going to fight a machine of this size that is basically promulgating lies about these women and their families and their supporters? And I reached out to people that I already knew within, you know, the watch blogging community. Volunteers monitored the process in real time, turning over cassettes at the appropriate time to record on the second side. Happened so often, I quit altogether. And I could explain why I think thats funny, but you have to have extreme accountability, the larger your platform gets. He currently leads a multi-faceted media ministry called Telling the Truth which he shares with his parents Stuart and Jill Briscoe. And its pervasive, and people are, theyre using it. Amen. I appreciate your taking time again away from your vacation to spend time with us. But what happens when there is a sheep within the flock who needs to be defended? Many more than even Vonda Dyer knew. Can you imagine how many books that sold her? I want to thank Pete too for advocating for women participating fully in leadership and for Libby modeling what it means to be a true helper (ezer kenegdo). At the same time, hes writing a book and writing articles for Christianity Today about marriage purity. Briscoe WebLearn More About Pete Today - Pete Briscoe God loves you to distraction, There is nothing you can do to make Him love them more or less, And, that Life with this Lover God is rich beyond description, regardless of your performance. Now, I coach pastors and business leaders in communications and self-care. And so I hope your listeners understand what I mean, when I say this, thats how good God is that he can use people who are even morally bankrupt, to bring people to himself. And the thing that is astonishing to me, you used the issue of emotional vulnerability is that, you know, a lot of times our strengths are our weaknesses. Talk to me about how you saw this playing out at Willow Creek. Im Julie Roys. Im against too many lawyers, and I think Im in a position to critique this. Although theres been some. So Im very much looking forward to our time together today. Gifted with wisdom, discernment, and a bit of English humor, the Briscoe's bring God's Word to life. And Harvest was the same thing. It is also the church in which Pete Briscoe, my former wonderful pastor, grew up in. He currently leads a multi-faceted media ministry called Telling the Truth which he shares with his parents Stuart and Jill Briscoe. Stuart Briscoe died on August 3 "of natural causes unexpectedly" according to a tweet from his son, Pete Briscoe. Well, lets talk a little bit about the leadership that protected him because I think that is the question that I keep hearing over and over from folks is, How do we prevent this from happening? They have a responsibility to the larger church to speak. And it turns out there were a lot more women who had been affected by Bill Hybels. You have to have a lead pastor who creates a strong culture of accountability. At the urging of a friend working in the radio industry, the Briscoes followed God's leading and used the tape sales proceeds to purchase local radio time, which launched Telling the Truth's radio outreach. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. Character always has to come first in hiring, then competence, and then chemistry. Frankly I find church to be excruciatingly lonely. And I remember you saying once that you had gotten a manual, I think it was from the ECFA, and boy, we could talk about them. Well, I want to turn our discussion to what youve experienced at your own church, which is a multi-site mega church there in the Dallas Fort Worth area, because those are things where youve been able to apply some of these lessons that youve learned from watching the negative example maybe of Willow Creek, youve learned an awful lot from going through crisis at your own church. and Im going to butcher the title. But theres something wrong in the whole business of Church. And it had all of these allies not just in the media, but among the angelical industrial complex, other megachurch pastors, everything. You can read about them at their website Teaching the Truth. And I still havent been able to get her to visit with me. Pete reminds us that our goal is not to win arguments, but to win people. Thank God I have Jesus. To us, he was Stu, Dad and Poppa and we already miss him achingly." So you can go to Amazon and enter in Boz Tchividjian and his book will pop up but you need to know what youre looking for because people who are sexual predators, they have an acuity for blending into society in ways that they dont stand out like this is not like, you know, the sexual predator in your church is not some, you know, grease ball sitting outside your kids ministry just kind of looking for a way to get at, like, thats our common image of what a sexual predator is. The church is literally a collection of people. I think it took courage. Nobody has said they had intercourse with Bill. In our church, we have a no tolerance policy. And today Im excited to be speaking with Mitch Little. Through Petes teaching on Sundays and through various conversations with other staff members during the week, God shifted my perspective on what it means to live life in Christ one from my own efforts to please God to one of Christs efforts on my behalf to love me deeply, extravagantly, and permanently. Its How do we protect the entity and the entity as expressed through the person of Bill Hybels? Once you make that decision that youre willing to protect the entity or the person in charge of the entity to the detriment of members of the body or members of the staff, youve made some poor choices that are going to have consequences. Multiple services, being able to do it on cue, proves Hybels theatrical abilitiesI look back and feel sick, given all the details we now know from behind the scenes. Manipulative theatrics. Briscoe stepped down as senior pastor at the end of 2000 but remained involved in the church and active in overseas missions. But heres what happened when Scot criticized them publicly. But other than that, you know, there just werent a lot of people in the larger church speaking and there had to have been a lot of church leaders who knew about what was going on and knew that there were problems with Bill Hybels. The vanilla bean is incredibly hard to harvest. Its a serious analog for what happened at Willow. And I had a wonderful experience. Theyre not holding anybody accountable then. With distinctly different teaching styles, you'll be moved by the emotional appeal of Jill and the compelling logic of Stuart, as they boldly proclaim God's sovereignty, grace, and love. He now coaches Pete Briscoe | Brookfield WI. Then, I did what all good Christian college students did at that time I acquired a boot-leg copy of the drama and listened to it several times on my own. And he realized that he had missed an opportunity to share Christs love with this person, and he didnt even feel worthy to give this message tonight, you know, and he got teared up and, and Im watching this, you know, as a 20, early 20 something right? And the thing about predators, Bill Hybels included, okay, is they start to do more things in public to condition you to behavior that is inappropriate, and they test their boundaries, to see what they can get away with. They know there would be swift and sure discipline, if not firing, even with one mistakedepending on the severity of the misbehavior. If anything has a whiff of impropriety, we would jump on it immediately. I was just trying to build a relationship, or whatever you just go, But I see you for what you are and youre gonna have to go.. The Journal Sentinel reported: Elmbrook resignations are the latest to rock evangelical Christian churches. Pete Briscoe was Senior Pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, TX for nearly 30 years. One of those women is Vonda Dyer. Welcome to the Roys report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. I think that was a move of God, a move of the Holy Spirit. But this certainly raises red flags. David Jankowski. Mike is a dear friend and Im sad this day has come. Literally thousands of people have come to know Jesus under Bill Hybels teaching and yet, he was morally bankrupt at the same time. He currently leads a multi-faceted media ministry called Telling the Truth which he shares with his parents Stuart and Jill Briscoe. I followed the Harvest situation, which I think is its own it, you know, separate facts. Pete has offered to Yes, in the course of representing these women, it became obvious that this was not what Ill call an echelon or tier leadership problem, just at Bill Hybels level. that keeps the honest person honest. Briscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. And not elevated above it. For that we are forever grateful. That is not a matter of policy. And I can only imagine what the economic forces are behind the scenes for that, but it really disappoints me, that that hasnt happened. There was another documented case where he had oral sex with his assistant back in the 90s at WC. I dont think that he caused the elder board to resign. And these men are good actors. In fact, I know some of them. Gifted with wisdom, discernment, and a bit of English humor, the Briscoe's bring God's Word to life. Fortunately, we have not had so much as one complaint about any one of our pastors or staff members. He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. I think one of the ways that Willow tried to reckon with the situation was to permit Bill Hybels to retire from his role at the church. Well, to answer your question, very bad. Im good friends with Vonda Dyer, who worked at Willow and was one of the women who bravely came forward with her story about her interactions with Bill Hybels. The Elder Board has accepted Petes decision, and his resignation is effective March 31, 2019. Hes also the chairman of the elder board at a multisite megachurch in Dallas, Texas. Why did so many look the other way for so long? And when I came into the representation, that was a new term to me, Id never heard anything like it. The thief knows how to how to get through that lock, right? Yeah, without using any names. He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. Think about the people whove done it historically, you know, the Chuck Swindolls that I mean, we can we can run off a list of names, we can also run off a list of failures. :), I would strongly urge you to research Voice of the Martyrs. This is simply a place where I share the message of Gods unadulterated grace through my preaching sermons and bible teaching. But if you have a pastor with a glaring character flaw youre fooling yourself if you think youre gonna keep that character flaw in line with a pastor who doesnt put Jesus Christ first in his life, am I right? Friends are important! He has been married to Jill for more than 59 years and has three children and 13 grandchildren. And this is whats so difficult. The Elder Board has accepted Petes decision, and his resignation is effective March 31, 2019. Also, major problems. But this is the beauty of I think whats arisen is an independent media. Board members selected in such a way are unlikely to honor their fiduciary duty ahead of their desire to please the board chairman or senior pastor. And what lessons can we learn from Willow Creeks mistakes? I was kind of thrust into the middle of it out of love for wanting to help my friends and man, that thing escalated pretty quickly. It started as a simple tape duplication ministry in a home basement, using a reel-to-reel tape recorder linked to a dozen smaller recorders to duplicate the Briscoes' teaching. Pete reminds us that our goal is not to win arguments, but to win people. I think the larger the platform, the more rigorous the accountability needs to be. He gave me a few new friends here and there, people to pray with, to share with, to be coworkers in some small ministry, etc. So whos supposed to hold whos supposed to hold the leaders accountable in that structure? Pete is the son of Jill and Stuart Briscoe. The church is nondenominational and has woman pastors and elders. How are you? Like if you go back and you actually read his books line-on-line, there are some things in there in those books where you go, For a pastor, that should be unacceptable. But he was attenuating his church culture and culture at large to him in his behavior. WebIt is with heavy hearts that the Elders of Bent Tree announce that Pete Briscoe has submitted his resignation as Senior Pastor. Its all a Business and Power tool and stage for Virtue Signaling. I know for a fact that his article was circulated among the staff at Willow, and they crossed the Rubicon of credulity. WebHi friend, I'm Pete Briscoe. I would love to see Chicago experience revival. Great! Like so many of you, I love Pete. I know from hearing from men, that that Bill abused men emotionally, spiritually while they were working there. WebPete Briscoe, Stuart and Jills youngest son, was a key contributor to the ministrys teaching team from 2003 to 2021. The ministry began in 1971 while Stuart served as senior pastor of Elmbrook Church in Brookfield, Wisconsin, which grew into the largest evangelical church in the state. Fifteen years later, I joined staff at Bent Tree. This person or these people were hurt as a result, you have a pride problem. Youre absolutely right. I think its Pat Baranowskis story that ran in the New York Times that actually caused that. Its biblical. It is also the church in which Pete Briscoe, my former wonderful pastor, grew up in. Why did so many look the other way for so long? And thats one of the things that I just come back to is that the word hypocrisy in the Greek the word that comes from that means actor. Heres my belief, Julie, I think the church at large, the big leaders in evangelicalism, we can name names if we want to, and Im sure that people have names on their mind when theyre hearing this, Why were they silent? I think that they were scared of what Ill call the Christian Industrial Complex that had risen up around Bill, the economic consequences of speaking out on a topic of high consequence. They made a lot of friends a lot of money over the years selling books, promoting programs, platforming them at conferences, platforming them at the Global Leadership Summit. Pete Briscoe, our pastor at our church came out in support of the Dyers, which was bold, and it was brave. Thats one of the things that attracted me to it is that he would admit something that he had failed, like, I remember one Wednesday night at a midweek service, and he got up and he said how that day he had seen somebody who was, you know, he could tell that they were upset and in need, and he just walked right by the person and totally blew them off. WebSince that time he has ministered on every continent, written more than 40 books, pastored a church for 30 years, and founded a media ministry called Telling the Truth which now broadcasts daily worldwide. I was the senior pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship for nearly 30 years. Later Telling the Truth began airing in several countries in southeast Asia and across 10 countries in southern Africa. Okay. So many people are looking the other way. Hes also a strong believer and advocate for abuse victims. How do we deal with claims of sexual abuse? We needed to go to the hills and fight as guerillas, you know, what is guerrilla warfare? Briscoe God showed him through that sermon how his trip was actually isolating and began a process of transformation. So I was quite taken aback when this scandal came out. Jill and Stuart came to the States from England. And while youre at it, wed really appreciate it if you help us spread the word about the podcast by leaving a review and then please share the podcast on social media so more people can hear about this great content. And thankyou for all you do in the NAME of JESUS! Everyone I knew from childhoodparents, grandparents, pastors, Sunday School teacherswas upright and honest. I was blown away. But they spoke. I just, Im amazed that they were in such geographic proximity to one another dealing with almost the exact same problem. At the end of the day the aftermath of destruction is felt on so many levels by so many people and we all react differently in our humanness. It is not a building. Pete grew up in a home with intelligent and committed parents: both There are therapy notes to support her story. Below is a link to a PDF of the article World Magazine did on a sex abuse scandal involving VOM. This is simply a place where I share the message of Gods unadulterated grace through my preaching sermons and bible teaching. Theyve got a little bit of the guide part. I think youre absolutely right about that. So I was really struggling with my faith. I wasnt throughout the representation. But before we begin, I just want to take a minute to thank the sponsors of this podcast, Judson University, and Marquardt of Barrington. You have to have unity among your vocational staff at the church about, you know, key issues like how do we treat other people? That goes to the guarding role that Attorney Mitch shared. Briscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. Pete has offered to Absolutely horrible. Today were talking with Pete Briscoe, who served as the senior pastor for nearly three decades at Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, Texas, and now consults with and coaches pastors. It manifested even at the IT level at the church. Really what it is, Julie, if we want to get down to it and go to spiritual or biblical terms, these are these are works of the flesh when were not led by the Spirit. A man who "dedicated his life to sharing Gods Word with the world" has died at the age of 91. Gifted with wisdom, discernment, and a bit of English humor, the Briscoe's bring God's Word to life. And my understanding was the elder board set some boundaries for Clinton to be able to come and speak. I have been a child of God since I was four and in ministry most of my life. Im Julie Roys. Theyre involved in their own issue right now. How do you recommend searching worth while places to donate too? Let the Briscoes help you experience Life in all its fullness! Very few. 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