After eating I dashed down to the boat sheds to report for my test. The showers at Ganges were just one bare room with several shower heads, no privacy. 1905. Reaching high into the sunlit sky stood the mast; its yardarms spread wide like a giant crucifix. LEADING SEAMAN Served from 1961 - 1970 Served in HMS Ganges. 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At Gagnes they spent 12 months training, and they learned everything you need to do to run a ship. 10/01/36- 08/02/36 HMS Pembroke. in the RN with the nickname Doc. HMS Ganges was a training ship and later stone frigate of the Royal Navy. He was the officer that tested us when we endeavoured to qualify with a bosuns pipe. Nevertheless, as bad and as cruel as I have describe Ganges, I remain proud to call myself a Ganges Boy. ", The boys climbed the mast whenever the base received high-status visitors, and as part of their training (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). Roe told me "I don't like you." I told him "I don't give a flying feck!" It was named after a pre-existing training ship by the same name that was launched from Bombay and based at Shotley. http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/hms-ganges-swimming-pool-shotley-may-2015.t96792, Anniversary Toast - HMS RALEIGH 25th Oct 2009, Telegraph: "Captain Peter Grindal Obituary", Future Ford vehicles could repossess themselves, 10 myths told by Covid 'experts' now debunked. My DO was so unforgetable I can't remember his name, but he ponced around with his handky up his sleeve and a curled lip. Those ads you do see are predominantly from local businesses promoting local services. We can reunite you with your friends who served at HMS Ganges and we have a wealth of information on different units, bases and ships in the site. Download Citation | On Feb 1, 2023, Olivier Champagne and others published Future change in amplitude and timing of high-flow events in a Canadian subarctic watershed | Find, read and cite all the . 11.00 to 17.00 Saturdays, Sundays and Bank Holidays between Easter and the end of October. In attendance was a senior officer, medical officer and the master at arms. First Royal Navy ship to visit Eire, post independence? The culprit was brought before the Commanders table, the punishment was awarded as six or twelve cuts. One person found this helpful. Editors' Code of Practice. Ganges Museum is located at Shotley Gate near Ipswich, in what was the Enright Block, on the foreshore of the former H.M.S. First time ever looking at any RN sights. The mast has been a local landmark since it was erected a century ago this year at the end of the Shotley peninsular. HMS Ganges was the name given to several Royal Navy ships from 1779 onwards, but in 1905 it was chosen for a new training base at Shotley Gate, near Ipswich, where about 500 boy recruits were. Martin Foster, 54, of Haig Road, Uxbridge, had already admitted two charges of fraud by abuse of position. "It's very high - you get a good view though.". Each time I let it go off it popped, falling to the deck with a clatter. HMS Ganges Museum is dedicated to the 160,000 boys who went through the gates as boys and marched out as men, from its inception as a Royal Navy Training Establishment in 1905 to its closure in 1976. HMS Ganges is a little bit different though, because they have to get the spine road in first and do some prep work. A planning application for the site was submitted and outline permission was granted in 2015. She was the last wooden wall ship to be a flagship, and the last to sail around cape horn unassisted. HMS Ganges as a training ship in the 1900s (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). For more information, please see our Privacy Policy, Please enter a password with 6 characters or more. I took a bowl and ate the lot. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. HMS Ganges had a reputation for its harsh discipline. Like lots of other boys I ran away from home when I was 14 yrs old and joined the Royal Navy as a Boy Seaman 2nd class. "Most of what was on the site went to the naval museum in Portsmouth, but we have the honours board and figurehead from the original ship. You are using an out of date browser. Ken said: It was a dreadful winter. She was established as a boys' training establishment in 1865, and was based aboard a number of hulks before moving ashore. We caught up with Jim Dines, Director of TS Rigging, whose team. Martin Foster was treasurer for veterans who served at HMS Ganges training base in Sufffolk. Old men on the HMS Ganges Facebook page and it helps keep alive my time spent there. This punishment was something I never witnessed and can only describe from what other boys told me. We had no one to confide in, our instructors would more than likely told us not to tell tales. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. I was ordered to report for my test one evening after supper. Some 100 boy-sailors were in the canteen, chewing and chattering; clattering knives forks and spoons against plates and bowls. She remained in service at RNTE Shotley until October 1976. Each evening after we had cleaned the mess, we took everything out of the locker rolled each item into a nine-inch sausage, tied white tape around both ends, and then placed every item on a blanket. Peter Cook. Not to the required half-moon, but to the first platform, where, when authoritative eyes were averted, I dashed to the other side and climbed back down.. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Learn how your comment data is processed. inaccuracy or intrusion, then please Find out more about HMS Ganges at www.hmsgangesmuseum.com, or visit the museum, located at the end of King Edward VII Drive, in Shotley, IP9 1QJ. ', and he replied that it was the first time he had a warm bed, three hot meals a day, and a roof over his head that didn't leak. I was at Ganges in 1955 and went to visit Shotley in 2005 and was surprised to see police signs near the old swimming baths. There was a seamanship officer at the boat sheds. The 142-foot high (43 m) mast was erected in 1907. HP10 9TY. It was easy to spot those who had been here the longest. Harry and Meghan told to 'vacate' Frogmore Cottage, Explosive found in check-in luggage at US airport, Fungus case forces Jack Daniels to halt construction, Rare Jurassic-era bug found at Arkansas Walmart, China and Belarus call for peace in Ukraine. Padre Weekes was always good for a fag and Jim Conroy (PTI) taught me to yodel. The test consisted of two lengths of the pool while wearing a boiler suit, then floating for five minutes. Rumour had it many years ago a boy did fall, bouncing off the safety net and through the Post Office roof. Aerial artist's impression of one of the green spaces earmarked for the former HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. "They had a hard life, but they were fed and looked after. CHARGE CHIEF PETTY OFFICER (WEA) Served from 1974 - 1997 Served in HMS Ganges. HMS Ganges was a training ship and later stone frigate of the Royal Navy. However, in the meantime we were still at the mercy of our instructors. Recruits used to climb the 143ft (44m)-high mast in formation, with the "button boy" standing on a small, circular platform at the very top, hands-free, but with his legs resting against a metal supporting bar. Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. Former recruit John Youngman said it would be "nice to see it restored to its former glory". Abuse Details. Shotley Marina, Shotley Gate, Ipswich, IP9 1QJ. Bob Roberts. Sailors' uniforms were a familiar sight in our area until HMS Ganges closed in June 1976. Those ads you do see are predominantly from local businesses promoting local services. BBC Blue Peter presenter John Noakes attempted to climb to the top of the mast. Steve Tarr. George Douglas Blake HMS Warspite. July 27, Awarded the Freedom of Ipswich. inaccuracy or intrusion, then please Picture: SARAH LUCY BROWN, Artist's impression showing the view across a residential street at the redeveloped HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. When I say there was sexual abuse Im speaking from personal experience. 1906. Artist's impression showing the view across a residential street at the redeveloped HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. You are using an out of date browser. I was out of there in an instant, but never said a word to anyone, I was just happy it was over and I had qualified. I knew a gentleman who said when he was at Ganges in 1947 he had his first taste of hot food. Saw your message. These adverts enable local businesses to get in front of their target audience the local community. There were stories of many similar violations but none ever reported. Several tales about bullying and the harsh regime generally, not so much about the famous and frequent official canings. The inquiry was carried out by Hampshire Police after debit card transactions of 4,200 and cash machine withdrawals totalling 74,000 were made from the association's bank accounts between August 2010 and June 2012. There's something to be said for finding how finding out how good you are at living with other people, and finding respect for yourself. The association said it had about 3,000 members and at the time of the offences its income from membership fees was about 30,000 a year. The training was tough, brutal at times, yet many of those who came through remember HMS Ganges, at Shotley Gate, with a certain fondness. HMS Ganges was a training ship and later stone frigate of the Royal Navy. This site is part of Newsquest's audited local newspaper network. At about 60 feet was the Devil's Elbow, the most dangerous and frightening part. JavaScript is disabled. These adverts enable local businesses to get in front of their target audience the local community. They faced what was without doubt the most severe punishment, cuts. AboutPressCopyrightContact. Back in the mess, this safe haven shielding us from those torturous sounds, the junior instructors' suspiciously cheerful faces greeted us. Heard so much about HMS Ganges though and it sounded very good for developing 'real sailors ' but as much as I hate to admit it I suspect it would have been too much for me . I knew that once the weather was respectable, when it was no longer dangerous, my skinny little skeleton would be transported, step by trembling step, up that perilous rigging. This website and associated newspapers adhere to the Independent Press Standards Organisation's The HMS Ganges site was initially opened in 1904 acted as a boys training facility for the Royal Navy. The master at arms held a long thin bamboo cane, the instrument of the punishment. The mast has been a local landmark since it was. CLICK ABOVE TO OPEN GALLERY. This website and associated newspapers adhere to the Independent Press Standards Organisation's Ganges will for ever be the legacy of every young boy who passed through those distant gates to emerge as a sailor and a man. Our abuse contact API returns data containing information belonging to the abuse contact of every IP address on the Internet. Work on the scheme, which would see 285 new homes, a 60-bed nursing home, a large retail space and areas for medical services, will not be started until a spine road through the site, which will take the bulk of construction traffic away from main roads, is built. But, because of the lockdown nothing has really moved and I think, even though construction workers havent leagally been told theyre not allowed to do anything, the owners are a bit reluctant to move. David Colwill. They looked like what we didn't, sailors. Mr Jones also offered reassurance around the historic mast, despite fears about its dilapidated state. HMS Ganges is situated on the Shotley Peninsula in Suffolk. If you are dissatisfied with the response provided you can Observer career path/ real life experience. A Gannett Company. contact the editor here. Royal Navy 238217 Boy 2nd Class HMS Ganges II. (LogOut/ Registered in England & Wales | 01676637 |. St George IOM Boys training 3/5/45 Christmas leave 45 took all kit and returned to Ipswich station, then by the ubiquitous 3 ton Bedford to Shotley where we reopened HMS Ganges as a boys establishment. joined in '63 Dreadnought in the Annexe and Duncan in main camp, Went swimming at Vincent before colling-grad got its pool, and sailing if my memory is not totally shot, I sometimes considered climbing to the top of the mast a tossing myself off. The next six years passed with regular naval detentions, ( Royal Naval Detention Quarters RNDQs Portsmouth) exhausting punishments, solitary confinements, ending with a twelve month sentence in the infamous HMP Corradino, Malta. H.M.S. While I probably believed the stories, I was still determined to quality for my chain. St George IOM Boys training 3/5/45 Christmas leave 45 took all kit and returned to Ipswich station, then by the ubiquitous 3 ton Bedford to Shotley where we reopened HMS Ganges as a boys establishment. This portion was taken from the foremast of the corvette Cordelia which was paid off . He was subsequently dismissed from the service and returned to civilian life. First the older of the two, Maurice WRIGHT JX 657902. Charles Dickens might have penned it the best of times and the worst of times. Probably running away was the worse decision, they were always caught and returned to the camp. The cinemas would be packed with rows of Ganges boys in uniform and the caf at the corner of St Stephen's Lane would sell them many cups of tea as they waited for their bus back to Shotley. what an incredible article, thanks for that dave, how far did you get up that mast? Graduating from Ganges held the promise of better times ahead, we would be real sailors, excited at the prospect of visiting far off and exotic lands. Please Login or Register. A Proceeds of Crime Act hearing is due to take place at Portsmouth Crown Court on 23 January. The site was closed in 1976 and was used as a maaried quarter estate by the RAF. Sadists most of them and that's from a 15 year old who was in a council care home before he joined, streetwise to fcuk and kept my head down. The showers at Ganges were just one bare room with several shower heads, no privacy. As a matter of interest how many of you did your 22 and beyond not many I suspect therefore you look back with nostalgia, fcuking hated the place and made certain I never treated any of my guys the same as the youngsters were treated there. Life on the ship was extremely hard, with a memorial in Mylor, Cornwall, recording the names of 53 people who died while training on it between 1866 and 1899. However lessons, culminating in a test, were much more difficult. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. yes I was there in 92 .Essex, Nolfolk , Herts Suffolk and Cambs police all used it. HMS Ganges was a "stone frigate" or land-based institution for the Royal Navy, and between 1905 and 1976 was one of the key training bases used to prepare sailors to defend Great Britain. HMS Ganges moved moorings from Harwich to Shotley. HMS Ganges being broken up after training was transferred to the land base at Shotley (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). At 14 he ran away to join the Royal Navy and signed on for 12 years. JavaScript is disabled. Maurice was nothing to do with HMS Ganges, in fact he had been a crew member of HMS Hambledon. John Garrett. It used to be a training camp for the Navy until 1976, and in later years it was a police training school. It was hard, often . The water was freezing cold, we never had hot water. She was established as a boys' training establishment in 1865, and was based aboard a number of hulks before moving ashore. inaccuracy or intrusion, then please To get to the platform you would climb out over the Devil's Elbow, legs dangling in the air, only your grip keeping you from certain death. Attempts have been made to contact developers Haylink Ltd but have been unsucessfull. He deserted on numerous occasions and willfully disobeyed orders . 1976. HMS Ganges was also known as Shotley Training Establishment . Change), You are commenting using your Twitter account. This was the job of the button boy at HMS Ganges who had to shin up the last fifteen feet or so to climb on the button during ceremonial parades. This was where the roped rigging jutted out some ten feet - above it, the platform. On October 28 the White Ensign was lowered for the last time and the ships figurehead was transferred to Royal Hospital School, Holbrook. HMS Ganges organisation of meals - covering the galley in the Long Covered Way/messdeck dining, and the introduction of the CMG block /communal dining - dated 1952. c. Punishment of Juniors (U) at HMS Ganges dated 1970. d. Restrictions on the caning of boys as a punishment dated 1929-1931. I had already taught myself to swim. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. Ken Smith, who now lives in Brighton, sent me memories of arriving at HMS Ganges in the severe winter of 1963 and his fear of the dreaded mast. For breakfast porridge was on offer, that salt-coated gruel I'd been forced to eat every morning of my schoolboy days. She remained in service at RNTE Shotley until October 1976. We had just finished PT before going to supper, so I was in shorts. HMS Ganges 'He had the misfortune to be placed under the care of two particularly brutal and drunken instructors whose continual bullying and abuse proved too much for this emerging free spirit ' His early life was hard by any standards. She was based alternately in Falmouth, Harwich (from 1899) and Shotley (from 1905). I allowed my head to tilt backward, sending my gaze to the very top, to the lightning conductor where the Button Boy stood on ceremonial occasions. I was so fearful of that oncoming event I was becoming a nervous wreck, each night reading the next day's daily orders, wondering if tomorrow would be the day I crapped my pants in public. Newsquest Media Group Ltd, Loudwater Mill, Station Road, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire. The one chippy bugger who thought it good fun to make you spar with him in the wash room (Annexe) I met up with in the Far Flung and gave him more than he gave me. I did climb that mast. GANGES was the shore training establishment for boy entrants into the Royal Navy from 1905 until 1976. View of the iconic mast at the former HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. George Blake joined the Navy in 1935 and served up to 1950. The only thing I can remember of that awesome night, apart from collecting a kit bag and filling it to capacity with kit, was sobbing myself to sleep and that I ate the biggest meal I'd ever eaten in my entire 15 years of life. There was also a degree of sexual abuse going on at Ganges, but we boys were too scared to ever complain or report such incidents. He went on to be an SD subby. HMS Ganges in Shotley Gate, Suffolk, was a land-based training centre for recruits between 1905 and 1976. It was a facade hiding unknown treasures unknown tricks for us to perform, the first of which was to mark our kit with our names. The previous evening I'd arrived at HMS Ganges training annexe, with an assortment of other would-be-sailors, and was placed in the capable hands of a spotty-faced junior instructor and a bullet-proof gunnery instructor who wore crossed guns on both lapels. We were ordered to turn around and bend over, if the instructor was satisfied we were clean, we were allowed out. Researched and compiled by A. S. Grimmer (Solent Division) who sadly crossed the bar 6th January 2007. She had taken on the previous duties from the wooden ship H.M.S. It began snowing on Boxing Day. A history of the Royal Navy Training Establishment HMS Ganges. At 14 he ran away to join the Royal Navy and 'signed on' for 12 years. Standing at 143ft, the mast is made up of three main parts; the main 75ft mast came from HMS Cordelia, a steam corvette built in Portsmouth, the top mast of 47.5 ft wooden ruffle box from HMS Agincourt, which was renamed HMS Boscawen, and then Ganges II. Real posh supercilious bastard. The money belonged to the HMS Ganges Association for people who served at the former naval training base at Shotley Gate near Ipswich, Suffolk. last entry 16.30 We are also please to welcome visitors at any other time by prior appointment - please telephone 01473 788315 or 01473 788723 to arrange this. There was also a degree of sexual abuse going on at Ganges, but we boys were too scared to ever complain or report such incidents. the reason i remember the date is that it was my 15th birthday, We got shipped out to Suez in October 1956 cutting short our training by a couple of months. Every letter of our names had to be perfectly in line. Maybe we were unlucky with Instructors as one was Court Marshalled, discharged and sent to prison for so called abuse. A question of Religion?Maybe MaybeNot???? Babergh District councillor Ganges, Derek Davis, said: From my own personal perspective I have seen how closely our officers and our planning team have worked with the owners of the site and I can imagine that once the lockdown is over and the guys get started, progress will be made very quickly. The overall height is 143 feet 10 inches, with the button being 11 inches diameter and 3 inches thick. The number of air raids at Shotley began to increase dramatically and its ratings soon had to go to the air . Maybe we boxed each other in the Shotley annexe! If you are dissatisfied with the response provided you can Observer career path/ real life experience. Contents 1 Foundation and early history 1.1 Allegations of abuse 2 Ganges at Harwich 3 Ganges at Shotley 3.1 1906 changes 3.2 Later developments 3.3 First World War 3.4 Post war developments 3.5 Ganges in the Second World War 3.6 Postwar and closure 4 References 5 External links She was established as a boys' training establishment in 1865, and was based aboard a number of hulks before moving ashore. No way would the Royal Navy let the opportunity to instill fear into a young boy pass them by, So began another nine months of laughter and tears, disaster and joy. To get out of the showers we had to stand before our instructor legs apart arms raised for inspection. They were both Ordinary Seamen, one aged 17 and the other aged 18. However, for most of us boys, qualifying meant we could wear the Bosuns chain with our uniform instead of a lanyard. It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. Yes indeed, they were the best of times and the worst of times. HMS Ganges was the name given to several Royal Navy ships since from 1779, but in 1905 it was chosen as title for a new training base at Shotley Gate, near Ipswich where about 500 boy recruits. attempted to climb to the top of the mast, Harry and Meghan told to 'vacate' Frogmore Cottage, Explosive found in check-in luggage at US airport, Fungus case forces Jack Daniels to halt construction, Aboriginal spears taken in 1770 to return to Sydney, China and Belarus call for peace in Ukraine, Rare Jurassic-era bug found at Arkansas Walmart. 12 months training, and they learned everything you need to do run. Room with several shower heads, no privacy and in later years it was erected a ago. 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