14. Billy Joel David Thompson, 80. The Hollies Blondie: 8/10 The Staple Singers: 8/10 Fats Domino, Smokey Robinson, Carole King and Curtis Mayfield Eurythmics: 7/10 Reserved for acts who are definitely Hall of Famers, but don't quite possess a Level 3 rsum for one or more of the following reasons: John & Bobbie Foster WCON-AM/FM 2015 69. SRV & Double Trouble: 7/10 Re: Bill Simmons NBA Hall of Fame Pyramid, Quote from: Josh on June 02, 2010, 10:22:44 pm, Quote from: cheloLP on June 02, 2010, 10:18:57 pm, Quote from: Josh on June 02, 2010, 11:17:05 pm, Quote from: Josh on June 02, 2010, 11:31:51 pm, Quote from: t-mac357 on June 02, 2010, 11:38:30 pm, Privacy Notice/Your California Privacy Rights, Topic: Bill Simmons NBA Hall of Fame Pyramid (Read 15826 times). 102. 2Pac Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 08/3/2016 @ 19:16pm. Level 3 There are a lot of critic's darlings that fade over time. 65. David Bowie The Jimi Hendrix Experience Sex Pistols: 9/10 Earlier this month, he added another distinction to his rsum as he was inducted into the Army ROTC Hall of Fame as part of the 24-member Class of 2021.. Nine Inch Nails Y'all haven't added the new inductees yet:Chicago,Cheap Trick,NWA,Steve Miller and Deep Purple. And how the hell could OKC ever trade James Harden after Game 5? The former MVP has adapted and evolved to become an excellent conductor of Phillys offense. "Baby Baby Don't Cry" Gerald Wilson and His Orchestra, Projekt. This high? Donna Summer Chicago "I Don't Blame You At All" - Rosetta Hightower. As far as the 2013 inductees are concerned and their tier placement is concerned: He was a musical revolutionary for whom the record industry had to create new marketing terms to describe. Level 1 ELO - 1 Favorite Hip-Hop inductee? 14. When you look at it this way, it's not an especially inspired class, is it? -U2 Led Zeppelin: 10/10 Lionel Richie Dire Straits 1996 Pete Seeger The Notorious B.I.G. Even as he was on the downside of his career, he was still hitting huge shots that swung championships. Send a Message. The Clash Art is fluid and stuff changes. If he keeps pushing for 3-4 more years and the Warriors get back to being contenders and Steph stays as a Top 10 guy in the league, he's moving up into the Dirk range and maybe the Pantheon. John Lee Hooker Frankie Lymon & The Teenagers: 6/10 So what happened? Neil Diamond: 7/10 4) MARTHA & THE VANDELLAS at # 96 -First ballot? Loudest other then metal: THe Rolling Stones, The Kinks, The Who, The Stooges, Public Enemy, Dave Clark Five. He's going to jump 30-40 spots regardless. Just being a major influence on Bob Dylan alone, and really almost the entirety of folk-rock should at the very least put her midway up, probably higher, imho. 48. Playing off the NBAs dramatic changes during the past decade, Bill uses new commentary and fresh interviews with players and top media members to determine how the league has evolved and where its headed. 2nd tier works. Talented as hell, but weird as hell. "Do It Baby"- Jimmy Ponder, Red Holt (of Young-Holt Unlimited). John Lennon Demote. Crosby, Stills & Nash (Level 2) For new additions (NOT New Edition) to Level 5, I nominate Aerosmith, and either Aretha Franklin or Michael Jackson. Is Harden the NBAs best scorer since Michael Jordan? 8. The Cars: 7/10 Lastly, here are some of my favorite films: Just ask Tina! They influenced pretty much all 90's hard rock and metal. Curtis Mayfield: 9/10 74 Paul McCartney 54. "You've Really Got a Hold on Me" Percy Sledge, Barbara McNair, The Beatles, The Temptations, The Supremes, The Zombies, Aidan Smith, Sonny & Cher, Mickey Gilley, Eddie Money, Cyndi Lauper, The Bobs, Greg Brown, Small Faces, Bobby McFerrin, Derrick Harriott, UFO8, Mike and The Mechanics, and She & Him among many others. Most civilized inductee? "Special Occasion - Jim Gilstrap. Very good insight expect Dolly should be Level 2 mostly because she's one of the most important women in popular music as a whole. Fats Domino. Does ninety-six players sound like a good number? Still hasnt talked about a ton of the top guys. SMF 2015, Simple Machines. "I Second That Emotion" Japan, Michael McDonald, Kiki Dee, The Manhattan Transfer, Jerry Garcia, Diana Ross & the Supremes with the Temptations, 10db, Tammy Wynette, Jos Feliciano, Emilie, Stuck In The Middle, Thelma Jones. Shaq, 12. If anything, some of them deserve to be a 4. I thought they were dull and uninteresting musically, and they couldn't keep my attention long enough to listen to the lyrics. I would like to do the # ratings of performers of every class, for this I'll be giving them a number between 0 -10 out of 10 based on influence & innovation on popular music. 206. Crosby, Stills & Nash: 7/10 The Cars Those are the ones that come to mind. Amen and speak the truth! At present, either James Taylor or Laura NyroI'd say James Taylor Then, on Feb. 24, 2019, he revised Curry to be top 20. Cat Stevens/Yusuf Islam: 6/10 8/10 = No Brainers Actually what I initially wrote about them here still works: AC/DC 138. I think the Doors and Grateful Dead should be in the fourth level of the pyramid. Whitney Houston: 9/10 As much as I like SRV as a guitarist, his credentials as a performer (body of work) isn't up to many on the 2nd level. Dolph Schayes, 59. Steve Miller DEFINITELY !! Little Anthony and the Imperials Yes, they're called idiots (just like the ~2% that didn't vote for Cobb, ~5% of voters that didn't vote for Ruth and Wagner, ~9% of voters that didn't vote for Mathewson and ~16% of voters that didn't vote for Johnson, or the idiots that took three years to vote in DiMaggio). John Lennon: 10/10 Radiohead were around then. Big Joe Turner: 9/10 Tina Turner is solely on Level 2 for star power and that's it. "Doggone Right" Bobby Davis. "Mickey's Monkey" Mother's Finest, Martha and the Vandellas, The Supremes, The Hollies, The Young Rascals, John Mellencamp, Lou Christie, Cannibal & the Headhunters, The C.A.Quintet, The Defenders, Chris Catena, The Sugar Beats, The Mac Truque. Here are the questions: Gene Vincent: Influenced The Beatles, The Clash, Jeff Page and Jimmy Page (Led Zeppelin). Van Halen: 9/10 Posted by Nick He certainly beats U2 and Bruce Springsteen in the I&I categories. 9. Traffic: 7/10 "(You Can) Depend On Me" The Temptations, The Supremes, Mary Wells, Brenda Holloway, Barbara Mason. 1987 Louis Jordan Stevie Wonder: 10/10 75. 2/10 = Failure Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five I'm open to arguments that he should be higher than this (maybe closer to Rodman), but his offense tailed off over the past 2 years. I had to move him up. 14. I didn't ask for it. Journey Steve Miller The pyramid has been updated with the latest inductees. 186. Oh Wait, those dimwhits on the election committee have overlooked them again! Lavish parties excluded then the guys from Queen. Posted by GFW on Saturday, 05/25/2013 @ 15:16pm. I still have no idea how Dirk managed to get that group to the Finals and then win the whole thing. Their accolades are eerily similar, but I like Wade a little more. 20. Posted by Cheesecrop on Friday, 03.8.13 @ 15:51pm I'd probably have The Moody Blues in Level 2 or 3, since they're name checked as the pioneers of art rock and prog rock. "Who's Gonna Take The Blame" Capone N. Noreaga (as the basis of their song "Live On Live Long"). Yes, it's personal. Posted by astrodog on Thursday, 10/31/2013 @ 03:26am. The Beatles, Bob Dylan, The Rolling Stones, Stevie Wonder (who was actually even DISCOVERED by one of The Miraclesthe late Ronnie White) and THE WHOSo. Albert King Level 2 5. Joan Baez - 1 41. Posted by Zach on Wednesday, 10/30/2013 @ 17:40pm, Hi, Zach. Bonnie Raitt: 7/10 -Loudest? 7. 189. I read from his column that he ranked Duncan 7th and Kobe 15th. -Kindest? A subreddit dedicated to NBA news and discussion. "We've Come Too Far To End It Now"-The Escorts On point! BoB 2.0 has been, well, not that. From 2016: 69. 33. Bob Marley or Jimmy Cliff You love him. as the going says, money is powerful in human beings life and money rules the world.I'm from a poor family in which I found it hard to feed my family Very, very influential among a myriad of genres and artists. He's a better scorer, a slightly worse distributor, and a better defender over the course of his career. -Hard to say. a lot of good years for inductions. John Fogerty (CCR), Ike Turner, Jerry Lee Lewis, Eddie Van Halen, Axl Rose, and Mike Love (Beach Boys) move to 3: Most nicest inductee? KISS As a Beatle, sure, but definitely not as a solo artist. 48. You could even have 5 levels of 3 artist at each level) Journey - 1 The Four Seasons 227. Sure, they influenced Green Day and some others. That's it. Gotta say, pretty bad ranking. Wait, you'd put Bon Jovi and Journey in the top tier with the Beatles? Tupac Over 10 years ago, ESPN's Bill Simmons 1 introduced the world to the concept of a Baseball Hall of Fame pyramid, as a way to provide relative importance to the inductees. 179. As of 2012, there are 180 inductees in the performer category, which divides up nicely into 5 groups, each with multiples of 12 artists (Level 1 has 60, Level 2 has 48, etc.). Best hip hop: I don't much care for it, but even I would concede Public Enemy's suitability. I could have sworn it was the other way around. Ramones: 10/10 Level 1 is designed for players like Klay who could've ended up like Mitch Richmond or Jerry Stackhouse if he went to a team like the Suns, but instead got to be a crucial cog for an all-time team. Dave DeBusschere, 52. Queen and Black Sabbath, by far. The Isley Brothers: 9/10 Update the pyramid. Naming your daughter after a country and picking a fan's nose are the actions of a classic whackjob. I'd at least move up Aretha, the Boss, and Bowie, Posted by Mike on Tuesday, 04/2/2019 @ 14:50pm. how NBA Hall of Fame inductees should be chosen but how the institution must be reshaped from the ground up, the result being the Pyramid: Simmons's one-of-a-kind five-level shrine to the ninety-six greatest players in the history of pro The people at the top are more of the big timers, to me. Favorite induction year? I love Elton John, but he does not deserve to be ranked higher than Buddy Holly & the Crickets, Black Sabbath, Bo Diddley, Fats Domino, Little Richard, The Byrds, The Doors, and others who are more innovative and influential. 2Pac is probably Level 2. He's Level 4 by Isiah. It's just how the hall seems to operate now. Posted by AlexVoltaire on Thursday, 01/25/2018 @ 23:09pm. Level 3: "Ooo Baby Baby" Linda Ronstadt, Brenda Holloway, Shalamar, Ruby Turner, Sylvester, Spirit Traveler, Five Stairsteps, Zapp, Laura Nyro, Ella Fitzgerald, Honey Cone, Human Nature, Fingazz "Looks like this has been updated. If you want to argue he was a shitty teammate, fine, but on talent and resume, he belongs in the Top 50. Dion, Posted by Paul K on Wednesday, 10/22/2014 @ 00:11am. Posted by John R.C. Bobby Darin Posted by Kyle on Wednesday, 07/26/2017 @ 18:50pm. I understand their attempts, and respect it to some degree. Joni Mitchell: 9/10 2 America - a secret airline run by the CIA - flew missions no one else would touch, from General Claire Cennault's legendary Flying Tigers in WW II On which levels do you think each of these artists belongs? "Going to a Go-Go" The Rolling Stones, Phil Collins, The Hags, and Secret Affair. The Moonglows: 6/10 Carly Simon Eventually, the powers that be will finally realize that Rush deserves to have a spot on the third tier, if not the fourth tier. Dire Straits- 2 Topic: Bill Simmons NBA Hall of Fame Pyramid (Read 15782 times) armand_a. The Coasters NOW.THOSE ARE THE ACTUAL RANKINGSand you SEE just WHO ROLLING STONE Ranks as the TOP MOTOWN GROUP. 6. 2019 5/10 = Average/Borderline -I'll say Bobby Darin never had a drug problem (that I know of), branched out into different styles, even helped his fellow performers learn how to do their own taxes during the Caravan Of Stars tours. Los Lobos Finished season 1 of it, its not over. E.T. GFW-It's simply that he was a first ballot inductee and yet looking over his discography it's quite underwhelming. 1992 Elmore James Sam Jones, 38. (I would say second or third). ", Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 10/22/2014 @ 22:04pm, Desmond, "Nowhere To Go- Kanye West (as the basis of his song "About An Angel"), Beanie Sigel (as "Got Nowhere"), Freeway "Give Me Just Another Day" Young Jeezy (as the basis for his song, "Mr 17.5"), Schoolboy Q, Wade Waters, Christina Milian, Rick Ross, Marco Polo feat. Michael Jackson, Sly Stone, George Clinton, Flava Flav, Prince, Frank Zappa, Dr. John, and Brian Wilson. Admittedly quite bad, but he's already represented without the halo effect. A lot of the acts in Level 1 and 2 should be upgraded too. 38. - See more at: http://whoisbigger.com/#sthash.msMujDin.dpuf, Posted by Darrin A on Sunday, 12/15/2013 @ 12:43pm. Posted by Mike on Tuesday, 02/9/2016 @ 17:04pm, Posted by Classic Rock on Friday, 04/22/2016 @ 20:34pm. John Lennon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Miracles_awards_and_achievements Simmons believes that Nolan Ryan was a Tier 4 Baseball HoFer, while acknowledging that several people wouldn't put Nolan Ryan in the Hall at all." 8. to "Did they influence a lot of acts afterwards?" But as long as they are moved up to the 4th tier, I will not be very disappointed. 1989 Bessie Smith James Brown didn't either but he was arguably much closer to rock than Ray Charles was while he was performing, same goes for Stevie Wonder. I'm coming up with a questionnaire/survey on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's inductees. "A Legend In Its Own Time" J Dilla (as an exercept of his song "One Eleven"). 226. Joan Baez (and yes, I'd still put her in the bottom rung, though she'd be closer to the top of that bottom rung) Bowie is so upstream of many, many acts. The "Lovin Spoonful: 5/10 Overall personality-wise, I'll say Prince. Parliament - Funkadelic: 10/10 1/10 = Not even worth of mention 4/10 = Marginal And from 2017: 2. 1 bestselling book from 2009. You are pleased to answer anytime you want. Like it or lump it, your shit still stinks just like the rest of ours. Were they the greatest team of all time? "You've Got The Love I Need" - J Dilla, Raekwon. Led Zeppelin I'd bump them up to Level 2 simply because of how they advanced a genre that was pretty much on the fringes before they came along. "Mighty Good Lovin"-Edwin Starr, Chris Clark. The Doobie Brothers-Level 1 7/10 = Solid Picks The Go-Go's-1 And I agree, Posted by Roy on Thursday, 07/28/2016 @ 22:10pm. Deep Purple: 7/10 1989 The Ink Spots Depeche Mode (Level 2) Donovan: 7/10 9/10 = All Time Greats 117. The Rolling Stones 5 I think she brought so little to the table talent-wise, evolution-wise. 216. Little Richard, Metallica, The Jimi Hendrix Experience, AC/DC, and Van Halen would all qualify Many of the Miracles' songs have been major hits or important recordings for other artists. Not even a hot take at all lmao I have Durant at 14. Percy Sledge: Influenced Al Green and the Allman Brothers Band. Chuck Berry 8. "What's So Good About Goodbye" Giant Sunflower, The Temptations, Quix*O*Tic Steely Dan 110. Posted by Dan on Wednesday, 07/24/2013 @ 17:34pm. Wilson Pickett: 9/10 Jimmy Cliff Call it elitist, call it exclusionary, but I've experienced a major shift in how I listen to music and evaluate it. For rap artists, I would get rid of Public Enemy and replace them with 2Pac or Eminem and move Run DMC and Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five up higher. Curry has been great for six years. "(Come 'Round Here) I'm The One You Need " The Jackson 5, The Cowsills, The GP's Gary - "quality" is a matter of taste, and if you don't like Ray Charles' music, there's no argument to be made over that. Chicago: 6/10 1990 Louis Armstrong Level 4 Lennon had one brilliant record (his first real solo record) and one decent one (the overrated 'Imagine'), and then some good songs sprinkled amidst a lot of filler and crap. All English speaking countries?). Who isn't? "Can You Love a Poor Boy" Bobby Vee, Softones, Gil Bernal, Ronnie Walker. Tier 2 - Dire Straits, The Cars, Yes, ELO 60. Rick Caffey Audacy Atlanta. LeBron James (up from Level 4, below Barkley). It's pathetic. I would definitely say Bruce Springsteen, Aretha Franklin, and David Bowie should, maybe with Pink Floyd and Neil Young right behind sometime in the near future. Steve Miller - 1, Posted by Classic Rock on Tuesday, 12/22/2015 @ 17:32pm. AC/DC Posted by Handsome Bob on Thursday, 05/16/2019 @ 23:13pm, ** THE MIRACLESand why they SHOULD be Level 4:** "The Tears of a Clown" La Toya Jackson, The Beat, The Rocking Chairs, The Re-Bops, Nnenna Freelon, The Flying Pickets, Caligula, Human Nature, Enuff Z'Nuff, Eumir Deodato, Brian Ray, Marc Cohn, Phil Collins. 134. Carly Simon (Level 1), Posted by Jordan Einstein on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 15:49pm. Rush (middle 4th) (This is an incomplete list, as songs by the Miracles continue to be covered by more artists each year) The Mandalorian Season 3 Premiere Is a Slick Reminder of What Makes Mando Work, "The Apostate" is designed to reorient the audience after a lengthy layoff, but the familiar formula ensures we want to keep taking the trip, Malcolm Brogdon Is a Throwbackand DeservingCandidate for Sixth Man of the Year. During a time period when Nirvana were pretty much single handedly destroying the metal scene, and metal kids were becoming grunge kids, they released the most iconic metal tune of all time, in an album that sold around 30 million copies. Joni Mitchell David Bowie: 10/10 Randy Newman: 6/10 The Righteous Brothers The L-shaped, bi-level building houses more than 18,000 square feet of . James Taylor: 8/10 I too personally dislike thier music except "Express Yourself" and I just don't understand why so meny praise them when all they did was steer rap down a more gangester and racist path. 36 Sly and the Family Stone I would also move Buddy Holly And The Crickets up to the top. The Doors: 10/10 2022 4/10 = Marginal Bruce Springsteen, Chuck D, Smokey Robinson, Curtis Mayfield, Fats Domino and Darlene Love Posted by Andrew on Thursday, 10/31/2013 @ 17:40pm, We need a space at the top for the Based God. I mean does anyone (be honest) go home and listen to a Ramones record? 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