My hard earned money is going to be spent at Ruger. WebA similar thing happened with Yeti and the NRA, where Yeti ended their NRA-specific discount program but included them in a broader discount program. Magpul moved. I think that if gun owners boycotted every company into oblivion that had to compromise at some point there wouldnt be any gun manufacturers around. Many companies make mistakes, sometimes huge. WebRock River Arms RAGE AR-15 Rifle 5.56 Nato / .223 Rem, 16" BBL, 6 Position Stock, M-LOK Free Float Rail, 30 Round, LAR-15M - Model DS1850 Carbine. They pulled the same crap for the Clinton ban, Amen almost bought a springfield I agree with you to hell with them sig glock ruger for me here on out. You shouldve made that decision because it is a piece of garbage, not because of this hysterical article. I think it was meant to be used with gloves on only. This new model is the latest in the growing line of rifles and pistols based on the RRAGE platform. They ignored it. So thats a reason for ignoring the fact that Ruger basically wrote the assault weapons ban? County fairs? Henry? The company is based in Genesco Illinois, near Chicago. What should be boycotted is this garbage blog. Oh yes, Illinois folks: start an ACTIVE campaign outing all the IL Representatives that voted for the bill. Had it in the cart at buds ready to buy tomorrow and now it definitely is not going to happen. They use forged parts and at least the Chinese are honest to let you know where the parts come from (China) whereas with Springfield it is a toss-up where the parts are made (I heard from Taiwan, Canada, even the Czech Republic!!). The LWRC, DD and BCM are ALL over $1300. While it was a great pistol, the front strap checkering was just way too aggressive for bare hands. After further review, Rock River Arms, Inc. (RRA) is immediately severing all ties with the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA). WARNING: The products offered for sale on this website can expose you to chemicals which are known to the State job creation they call it (bribery is such a dirty word). Wow, the article on Reese is incredible. That should be true. That is only if Springfield Arms survives this. Having this blow up the day before a brand-new product launch at the NRA convention is basically the exact opposite of fortuitous timings for Springfield. This isnt really about the law itself. There is NOTHING I need from a company that is obviously manipulating the system for themselves. I have family that works in the town. The original company lives on today under the name Winche ster. You write as though weve been asleep. Not saying you have to like what happened, but its soviet Illinois, it was going to happen with or without their opposition. Totally revitalized the economy of an American community with their 3rd plant. I buy and shoot a lot of guns, and this includes SA models, but I have put them on notice that I will never buy another unless they make this right. Well after reading this and let me add no love for blue Illinois my days with SA are over. The Springfields looked to be a good value. Neither excuse is a proper justification. The Springfield name is going to carry an odor, no matter how good a particular firearm might be. Olympic Arms continued this legacy with its OA-93, OA-96 and OA-98 models. Hugely disappointing. I dont think youre using that word right. A CEO that listens to the customer. You probably also found out that at least bizapedia reports that the IFMA was dissolved. In the former case its a matter of not really understanding the client and in the latter its a case of assuming that its better to ask for forgiveness than to beg for permission. I know I wont be buying anything else from springfield armory. Other places have them for $200.00. Was very interested in this new pistol too as a possible single-stack semi-auto alternative to my J-frame. If you want to scope your BM 59, there is a company that makes a direct over the bore scope kit for Garands that fits the BM59. And Im not giving them up, to anybody, under any circumstances. They profess innocence at this point, lets see if their actions match their words. Im not selling it because of this cluster, but Im not buying from RRA again either. No offense meant, I was just pointing out that Springfield Armory has no connection to the city of Springfield Illinois. (And I can guarantee he would never speak to me like that in person.). As a long-time, dedicated anti-gunner, this wasnt Senator Harmons first legislative rodeo. (Im a 30 yr Vet). We can live without them much better than they can live with out us. Thats how capitalism works. Yes I am planning on moving. Nothing Springfield will ever be in my collection now. I posted a similar comment on another article about the same subject matter, but again, and for emphasis: SPRINGFIELD IS DEAD TO ME. Id bet a bunch of employees would jump at the chance go move from IL to TN or MO or TX. Wasnt sold on DAO until I shot it. Find Senators and Representatives in close political battles last election and get their previously defeated opponents on board. With an MSRP of $860, it is a capable rifle at great price point. They ONLY DO WHAT THEIR CLIENTS TELL THEM TO DO. An EMP 4 WAS the next scheduled buy.. not anymore, never again. Reese is a business guy, not a gun guy, as this video demonstrates: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkfjwStDUUQ, At 1:02 hes pointing the XD at the host (which Leathem mentions, ?). As if they want to implode. Rock River Arms has This just proves that point. Bullshit. Tell us more about your experience in running a business. Who the hell made this business decision and have they been fired yet? It only sells a 100% American Made product using American Labor. This was a bit disingenuous because, basically, both companies were if you run a company and you dont know whats going on this is what you deserve. Id like to see Springfield make a correction here but it might be too late for that. Whats left after the hate which never leaves? No they dont. Tennessee welcomed Beretta with open arms and the employment of a lot a lot of people in well-paying jobs. Youre welcome to come visit and help during the next election cycle. Beretta (ex-MD) and Remington (ex-NY) make your statements look foolish. So Rock River spent at least $50.000 fund the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association. That will never happen now. Now they will pay the price. So I have to ask. I hope that it will bankrupt them, for it appears to be the only way these gun companies will learned to to alienate their comsumers. Send a signal to IL Senators and the Governor that supporting the bill is politically a trainwreck. RRA and Mr Larson are the only ones who can make a reliable AR-10. So an opportunity to block others selling in Illinois seemed like a quick and dirty way to make a few more bucks. I wanted one with the threaded barrel and suppressor sights. There are millions of people in the US who no longer think that its enough to fight and die for these rights. 2) One of the Resses got caught doing something bad again, and a deal was reached to help anti-2nd forces in exchange for an investigation going away. In order to try to get a lock on about 1.6 million FOID holders in Illinois, Springfield has angered the other 80 million gun owners in the rest of the nation. AR-15 Parts. When I explained that sales were still legal before the SAFE Act deadline went into force, they still refused. Im not ordering anything Springfield. Ive gotten good deals and free shipping on Handguards from CTD. Not to mention that when S&W colluded with Clinton they were owned by the British engineering firm Tomkins. So, if youre looking for a cheap AR-15, Rock They did what they had to do to stay profitable just like companies in Kalifornia and NewYork and liberal bastions. If truth about guns knows whats good for them, theyll be taking this story down and apologizing publicly for spreading untrue assumptions. But it will be history at my house. Perhaps a company thought they could pull a fast one and nobody would notice. 3) Lobbyist got paid by someone else to convince his clients this was a slick deal. Ive never had better customer service with any other business. Dont need it, but I kinda like it. This will damage Springfield Armorys brand nation-wide, in a business where reputation is everything. RRA models, like the RRAGE, LAR15, BTB, ATH, LAR68 & Light Mountain, are available in many different color options and calibers. The .308-caliber LAR-8 is plenty of gun for big-game hunting. My SA 1911 Loaded Target has been my favorite pistol since I bought it last year. Or cameras? The company was founded in 1996 by brothers Mark and Lynne Zanders. Regardless of who did what,the after-effects of this deal and a legislative loss will be felt far beyond Illinois for some time to come. After the event I hadnt seen a shipping notification. More interesting question: can Springfield even attempt to disavow at this point? Its enough of a turnaround that I forgive their earlier sins. Dont know what will replace the EMP4 but I bet the TRP itch gets scratched by a Dan Wesson. If RRA didnt know about this and, as a sign of their disgust, drops their funding and membership in the trade group youd still hold them accountable? Screw CTD. And unbelievably stupid of Springfield. You can learn to make good parts on a CNC a lot faster than on a Bridgeport or SouthBend. Never give one inch or miles will be lost. I was just about to order another springfield xdm .45. But do they double down on their error (Target) or put things into place that not only fix the error but make them new and better than ever. I realy liked this ranger officer mogel all stainless nice looking gun. Ive spoken with a couple of bigger dealers in Illinois in the past 24 hours. They will now go to the top so I can wear them out and use the warranty. Imagine, a corrupt Illinois politician! Any combination of buying or selling that exceeds 9 is a crime if youre not a dealer. AND everyone that the lobbyist represents must be in agreement. As far as the trigger, if the RRA has the 2-stage trigger, it is much better than the stag. This is why I said should not will. Personally hate to hear whenever CEOs or head honchos make public decisions costing their employees jobs/money. Did SA forget that this isnt 1988 anymore and that the internet exists? I just bought an EMP 3-inch. WebRock River Arms Two Stage Match Trigger Kit4.5-5 lbThe RRA match AR trigger kit is designed for AR-15 and AR-10 Mil-Spec lower receivers with .154 trigger and hammer pins. Watch the TonyBen videos on YouTube. Its like saying Saturn is really, really big, and huge, too! Well do our part in other states to support you. Pretty small and isolated country town. Your Price: $744.13. Springfield Armorys Defend your legacy has a huge hypocritical meaning now. Thanks for Nothing SA. Most dont buy a gun thinking about selling it down the road, bit it happens. Well also work on the NRA to start taking a firmer stance against rogue anti-2A manufacturers, no matter how much advertising space they buy. What would I do if I was RRA and SAI? The news of Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms selling Illinois gun dealers and gun owners down the river continues to spread among The People of The Gun. And their quality has never wavered (damn straight). This rifle is fed by a 10-round AICS-pattern detachable box magazine. I cannot in good conscience support in any way a company that would pull this kind of stunt. Now Springfield will learn the hard way. WebRock River Arms RAGE AR-15 Rifle 5.56 Nato / .223 Rem, 16" BBL, 6 Position Stock, M-LOK Free Float Rail, 30 Round, LAR-15M - Model DS1850 Carbine. They fixed the old rifle, returned it to me and offered me the M1A for all the troubles I had experienced. I just wish there was a good M14 clone I could get. Ruger didnt compromise, they wrote the AWA and betrayed every American gun owner in a most serious way. Rock River Arms had one seat. The company SHOULD be boycotted even if they shuffle management. IFMAs Keller testified in March at the Illinois Senate Judiciary committee of his willingness to consider dropping the lobbying groupsopposition to the bill if his clients were exempted. There should be a hall of shame for betrayals (and later repentances) by gun companies. Springfield Armory, Rock River Arms Trade Opposition to Illinois FFL Licensing Scheme for Carve-Out. As I said on Thursday, when it comes to RRA I was, and still am, unsure if they had any foreknowledge of what was about to occur. These two companies MUST be boycotted into bankruptcy. Performance Tuned. RRA should be punished too. Ive refused to buy S&W products since then, with the sole exception of a Model 640 Pro .357 Magnum, which lacks the damned thing. and thats where the idea of 10 round limit for magazines originated,right from the mouth of Bill Ruger. Last trip to the range, ran a couple hundred rounds of all flavors through it without an FTE/FTF. If your going to bash or boycott one then bash and boycott all. Springfield is DEAD to me. Theres no way to know for sure. You would answer your own question if you noticed my opening remark: Ruger was making superior quality products using totally American resources. So, S and W are also dead to me. We picked up a few seats last fall, but that simply moved the average ideology of the Dem members further left in our state legislature. The company makes a wide variety of weapons, Dicks/Field & Stream, Troy, Hexmag, RRA, Springfield Arms, Target, CTD, et al, are making it hard on themselves.They are alienating their demographic. For those who missed it, we broke the story late Thursday evening. Just as its equally acceptable for folks like me to attempt to boycott them into bankruptcy. In the world of .308 Win. And to be fair, those are twice the price of the Ruger. People Of The Gun have long memories. If youre looking for a good, dependable AR at a reasonable price, I dont think you When S&W is in the position to potentially block anti-gun legislation but decides not to because it is better for their business even if it screws their customers, THEN YOU WILL SEE ME call for an S&W boycott. Thats bad, dont get me wrong. Overall, this is a good, solid rifle. Until we destroy that party America will continue to be destroyed from within. Its transfers. As the market changes so does our pricing. S&W was owned by a British company who were forced to sell their company for pennies on the dollar. Great gun. Any I have to ask WHY? Both Ruger and S&W learned from their mistakes, I do not know if these two can. Rock River Arms earned their reputation by manufacturing some of the most accurate and reliable semi-auto rifles for the law enforcement and civilian markets. Major mistake, Springfield. And whats worse, if it passes, Bloomberg will attempt to duplicate this legislation in all 50 states. If workers still want a job, its a reasonable commute. I want to see how they fix the mess they created with the people who liked their product. After the 2004 sunset of the Assault Weapons Ban, AR pistols developed rapidly and have become popular. Like other gun-manufacturers Springfield can move its operations to a gun-friendly state. Bill Ruger retired from the company in 2000 and died in 2002. Initially I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, but after I thought about Reeses statement, and now that Ive seen Larsons statement, I would have liked to see hecklers run Springfields employees right out of Atlanta. Because of rumors of canceled orders. Kahr moved out of NY. The lobbyist for the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA), Jay Keller,traded that groups opposition to the bill in exchange for a carve-out, removing PrairieState firearms manufacturers from the licensing requirements. Bill is long gone and the last 15yrs of Ruger leadership have taken a much different stance. Simply offering ideas and encouragement. The rights of citizens that theyve agreed to negotiate away will NEVER be restored. Obviously Springfield and others have not learned this lesson and are going down the same road. How did Ruger even survive to do a turn-around? Includes larger .1555 MSRP: $111.99 $75.81. Huh? Id say they are a step above most other production 1911s. If that hurts a company whos sold you out, good. Theyre sole purpose is to protect their own interests. Smith and Wessons deal with the Klinton regime also brought us the infamous and deplorable hillary hole internal lock. This would appear to be financial suicide by Springfield. Sadly, some of the collar county Repubs arent so much. An American voting for a Democrat Never, ever. This Modern Sporting Rifle is built with a carbine-length gas system with a low-profile gas black to efficiently redirect propellant gases. Anytown on I80 feels like the Chicago area to the downstaters. I thought it was great that they were living in the same liberal hell hole that I was living in. How is he still employed? Helps to have the older experience but not insurmountable. They did what they had to do to stay profitable just like companies in Kalifornia and NewYork and liberal bastions.. When a big box store is competitive on price with the local gun shop, you know there is a problem. Typical narrow minded hypocrites. Nobody moves a company to New York (Remington has moved most out). Now for 2022, the company ups the game for hunters with the introduction of the All-Terrain Hunter (ATH) , a mid-length rifle that stands tall in the field of AR-platform hunting rifles. Specifications and Features: Rock River Arms AR-15 Magazine AR0116N30 .223 Remington and 5.56 NATO 30 Round Capacity Anti-Tilt Follower Proven Reliability WebCoyote Carbine Upper Half LAR-15M .300 AAC. See below for more information. After the next civil war, we wont allow another one. Springfield, on the other hand, has gone silent. Ive bought 4 guns in the last year and a half since they opened their store. If only there was a place to run-and-gun in or near NWI. Fuck Ruger as well. But I didnt detect a lot of love in his words. And IFMA successfully lobbied and got a manufactures exemption this bill . This is a digital day/night scope. Its about the same price as an M1A. Not cheap by any stretch of the imagination, but check out Fulton Armory: http://www.fulton-armory.com/M14-Rifles.aspx. I agree. The company makes a wide variety of weapons, including AR-15 and M16 rifles, as well as pistols, shotguns, and bolt-action rifles. Do you know how much the dealer bought them for? And dont give me this they have changed nonsense. With all the gun control in northern Illinois how the hell can they screw all of us like this! They see deep-blue Illinois as a great place toenact more of their gun control schemes. Here I was just falling in love with my SA 1911 Loaded. Might see if you can find one to test out. Either dont have any or I overpay to have the stock and have it at a price that everyone individual doesnt want to buy the whole lot at once. But they were happy to allow their lobbyist to finagle them a carve out. One of the few cases of sincere contrition. We reserve the right to adjust product prices as dictated by the market.. Hence why, even with Democrats holding a super-majority in both our House and Senate, and a rabidly anti-gun Governor, we held the line even post-Newtown. I ended up buying an Honor Defense Honor Guard. Very pleased with it, as it has most of the features I wanted on a CC weapon. Thankfully, we still have two more chances to stop this travesty of a bill. Are you aware it was Bill Ruger who testified before Congress that nobody needs more than 10 rounds? Springfield could have fought thisor vocally opposed it on its way to potential passage. Great comment, but I dont think it is enough. Search Ruger anti gun. Springfield for intention; RRA for negligence. That doesnt change whats actually been proven that was three years ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Repeating_Arms#History. I bought my first Rock Enjoy shooting it, and the second one if you buy one. The CMMG MkW-15 XBE Anvil gets the top pick for enthusiasts that handload or shoot a lot. My favorites in their calibers, cherished in my collections. Enjoy 45% Off Rock River Arms Goods At Walmart. Your opinion and yourre entitled to it and welcome to voice it here, though it seems you prefer that others not voice theirs if they disagree with you. That is their only 2 clients because it only exists and was created for them. Who Makes Rock River Arms? Great grip and trigger. Make the bill political kryptonite. Have you not been following this story? Peoplr lose jobs, get divorced, buy better guns and so on. They are good weapons but I Cant help but feel betrayed when I look at them now. After the backlash he closed down the store and retired. It is in between 5.56 and .223, but will safely shoot both. But thats only a fraction of his treachery. Screw that. Nothing unethical about this practice. Maybe then you can explain it to the pussy who wrote this article. Yes, very disappointed. Also, RRA derives the bulk of its money from government and LE contracts so youll have a really hard time bankrupting them with a civvie sales boycott. Huh? And now a sell out. If discounted to $0, maybe. How does a company respond to pernicious laws and an atmosphere which is detrimental to the People of the Gun? I would move EVERYTHING 25 miles West to Davenport Iowa. They were charging $100 for a 30 round mag during the panic. Cancelled orders? Hes totally grasping at straws on that point in his video. Damn This is turning into that mob with the torches looking for Frankenstein. That being said, even if we do, Springfield is done as a company. Im not buying a damn thing from Springfield and there is NO EXPIRATION DATE ON THAT. I have to say this really makes me mad. WebSo What Happened At Rock River Arms & Springfield Armory??? Never sold out to foreign companies or parts sources or manufacturing or skimped on quality control. Why does anyone ever even try to work with them? I bought 6 smith & wessons before I ever knew about the incident. By the time most of them have and Springfield Arms starts looking for a new home, they wont be welcome there. If RRA really didnt know about this, then their next steps should be to cancel their membership in IFMA, denounce the lobying they did, and maybe start looking to move. He didnt say, Hey, we screwed up. I have a Rock River PDS carbine. So, youre not buying a bunch of Springfields new pistols? I asked one. Maybe there is a Mrs. Reese or someone or something burning cash on the side (gambling, drugs, who knows) that is consuming profit faster than SA can generate it. When Colorado banned high cap magazines magpul moved to Texas. Could be paperweights. Rock River Arms is an American manufacturer of firearms that was founded in 1996. Allexcept for gun owners and the non-big box store gun dealers who have to live and work in the Land of Lincoln. Meanwhile, over at the Rock River booth at the NRA convention, owner Chuck Larson has professed innocence in the matter. I say boycott both RRA and Sprinfield until they get sold off to someone who cares about gun owners. I have talked to people in person in TN that were overjoyed at having Beretta move there. Sellouts. Didnt Smith and Wesson do the same thing back in the Clinton era, and it nearly bankrupted them, let alone took them years to reclaim the trust of the gun community. They must be put out of business for their treachery. Rock River's LAR-458 is the top pick for hunters because of its value, excellent trigger and superb accuracy. How many Illinois politicians wind up going to jail? We need the pistols to get to our rifles anyway. And no one calls or emails the company that is one of the largest contributor the IFMA group. Its enough of a turnaround that I forgive their earlier sins.. once you jump in bed with the marketing types. Come to find out the guy had paid triple for the supply to be trucked in so people could have them. RRA donated money as well I think they knew about stuff going on, but want to pretend they did not. If one of them didnt actually know about this then thats really not fair. CMMG .300 blackout will become my next purchase. Sadly I have two. Glad I happened upon this article. Springfield Armory today is a strong supporter of everything 2A. It may not even pass the House. Thankfully, many of the downstate Dems are staunchly pro-gun. Shame! Granted, the company isnt run by a Henry these days but I thought the paper trail of ownership was fairly clear and unbroken. There is too much crap that I dont have a choice on (can you believe EVERY RV tire is made in China? So, if youre looking for a cheap AR-15, Rock River Arms probably isnt the best option. Theyre both stuck now. How is it that they even survived to change in the first place? This Rock River PCC shows itself to be a well-engineered carbine ready to work (and look good doing it). Maybe they should look to Beretta. WebProduct Description. Have been eyeballing the SA Saint the last couple weeks. The silent majority will get the shaft, not gonna be any civil war, get over yourself. Beretta kicked Maryland to the curb for their ridiculous gun laws. If you know youre going to lose 50% off sticker driving something new off the lot, odds are you keep looking. Keller dropped IFMAs opposition, providing cover for a couple of wavering Senators to vote for the bill. Do they somehow know the licensing scheme is going to be corrupt or extremely expensive? If it is a 16" it is 5.56, which the Entry Tactical is. They are more than welcome in southern Indiana. The S&W deal with Clinton was made on March 17, 2000 and the company was sold for $45 million ($15 million cash and $30 million in acquired debt) on May 11, 2001 Several other really good CCs out there too if you want one of the big mfgs. You are both dead to me now. IRS records have also been found that shows Reese is on the board of IFMA. As for Winchester still keeping an eye out for someone selling Grandads old 94 thats beat to hell but still shoots straight so I can beat it up a bit more. I would start negotiating with one of those for manufacturing space and move my entire operation to a gun-friendly climate. We will support our Illinois brethren and NOT purchase anything from Springfield Armory or RRA. Both companies are stalwart defenders of 2A rights and arent in the habit of heavily funding Bloomberg puppet, anti gun politicians, as has been discovered of both SA and RRA. 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